Rogan Experience joined by day Joe Rogan podcast by night.
So first of all, thanks for coming and very nice time.
Thanks Christmas present. Actually Ryan Cole is the one
that first got these, and my wife has been jealous ever since. So, this is what I got for. Where does one get a
covid? Ty, I don't know. She looked it up on on Amazon or someplace and and found it.
You gotta love how industrious some of these folks are, that's just, you know, they find a
niche. Like I know what I want to sell covid ties and there you go. I got
it. I got Have a tux for an event that's coming up in Texas in a couple of months. And so my wife
is writing to the guy that does the ties and to see if he can make a bow tie that's got the virus
that are you I mean, are you tired of
this tire dealing with this? Do you feel a duty to talk about
this? Like we should just say because historically we should just State what's
happening here. So today is the 20, no, the 30th of December
and yesterday, Day, you were kicked off. Twitter. Correct? True. We
schedule this in advance. It's just coincidentally that you were kicked off Twitter. What,
what were you kicked out? First of all, before we even do this, please tell everybody what your history
is and what your, what Your degrees are and what you do?
Okay, so I'm going to do the short version. Okay, so, you know, this can last for an hour. If we
go into the whole history of mRNA vaccines and all that kind of stuff,
my history. I I am, I was originally a carpenter and
a farmhand in the Central Coast of California and decided that I wanted to go back to
school and did two years of computer science. And then decided that I didn't want
to spend the rest of my life. Looking at a computer monitor in a basement, bad
decision and decided that I wanted to try to become an MD, which was a hard thing
to try to do in the, in the late 70s. So that was a real stretch objective
went to UC Davis. This after two years of undergrad, at Santa Barbara City College
and and wanted to work on this
new tech space called molecular biology in a particular on
cancer. My mother was deathly afraid of breast cancer. And
so I looked around and found a laboratory at UC Davis. With a guy named Bob Cardiff and
another guy named Murray Gardner that we're working with retroviruses,
and there are links to breast cancer. Answer and it just happened that while I was in there.
This is Circa 83-84
this whole thing cut loose in San Francisco with the
immunodeficiency syndrome in men and the
lab ended up right at the Forefront of that Davis is just down the street
basically from San Francisco. And at the Davis primate Center, they
had discovered that there were monkey. That had immunodeficiency. And
so I was there in the lab as an undergraduate as a total bench rad
when Preston marks and Marie Gardner and others. Made the first discovery of
retrovirus basis for a minute efficiency in primates, and then
Murray went to the pastor brought back the virus literally in his pocket,
went with there with Bob Gallo met with a guy named Luc, montagnier that you may know and
that kind of kicked off the whole vaccine. Effort for AIDS.
So I guess that's kind of what I cut my teeth on and so I
came out of that. I you know, I was it was it was really
bold to think that I could get a new medical school and I kind of
overshot the Mark. I got an MD PhD scholarship at Northwestern University in
Chicago. And so I went from having grown up in Santa Barbara with my
wife. We were Highschool sweethearts to Go. And that was kind of an
Abrupt transition. So we
decided I would do my graduate work at San Diego
and I've been accepted into a program at UC San Diego. That had two of the top
gene therapy specials. I really wanted to do gene therapy with retroviruses. That was what I thought
was going to be my life. And so we moved down to San Diego and I
started working in the laboratory vendor Verma, which is in the molecular
biology and biology Labs at the Salk Institute. And this is a place
where graduate students normally aren't allowed to go. It was there was seven
Nobel laureates at the time, plus Jonas, a really intense competitive environment.
Carved out a little niche that I was going to work on, for my graduate work, which was
asking questions about how retrovirus RNA is packaged.
And from that, I had to develop a series of
Technologies to manufacture RNA and structure it and
eventually put it into cells and that through a Cascade of events, being at the
right, place the right time asking the right questions surrounded by Geniuses
led to the series of discoveries that now forms the basis of the RNA
technology platform that gives rise to these vaccines. And
ten issued patents from the roll filed in 89.
So that's kind of my origin story that it relates to this virus and vaccine in this.
But since then went on finish, my MD did
two fellowships at UC Davis top pathology for years set up a
gene therapy lab had many other discoveries came out to the east
coast created the technology platform that is now the
basis of the company called a noble. We actually originally founded,
Inovio. In the United States. This is pulsed electrical Fields. They have one of the
DNA vaccines for covid,
then the planes, hit the towers, the investors pulled back and I went to work for a
company called nineport vaccine company. That had the Prime Systems contract is
government speak for all the bio defense products for the Department of Defense for advanced
development, which is to say, clinical trials, through licensure. And that's my kind of
transition from being an academic. To focusing on, actually making things that work in
people. And the big Epiphany there was that the world
is full of these academic thought leaders, that publish and big journals and stuff, but that
doesn't really lead to products. And I really wanted to make products that would help people.
And so since then, for the last, I guess it's about 20 years. I've been focused
on actually doing stuff, Regulatory Affairs, clinical development
getting the necessary training Etc. Completed a fellowship at Harvard University Medical School
in. I'm Global is a global clinical scholar to round out my
CV and I run, you know, over 100 clinical
trials. Mostly in the vaccine space,
but also in drug repurposing. I've been involved in every
major outbreak since AIDS. This kind of what I do.
I've worn literally billions of dollars in federal grants and contracts. I'm
often brought in by By NIH to serve as a study section, chair
forwarding, you know, 80 to 120 million dollar contracts in vaccines. And
by defense, I've spent countless hours at the CDC at the
Aesop acip meetings. I have multiple friends at the
CDC. I work closely with defense threat, reduction agency, which
is and it's one of my favorite clients, Partners, teaming partners,
and I work with the can buy defense. There's other branches,
including the other. This is not the branch that funded the Wuhan Labs. That's another branch
of d'etre. I've got many friends in the intelligence community. So,
I'm kind of a pretty deep Insider in terms of the government. I know,
Tony fauci. Personally, I've dealt with him my whole career
and then and then we had this particular outbreak and
I was tip of the spear. On bringing the Ebola vaccine forward that we now call The
Merc Ebola vaccine. I'm the one that got Merc involved. Now when the
pandemic broke out previous to that. I mean you're kind of thought of as a heretic
now and some strange way and Riya, yeah, pariahs probably better work.
And the fact that you've been banned from Twitter is it's it's
very confusing because I've been following your tweets and I've been reading all the
things you've written and I don't understand how it Justifies a
ban and I don't know what was the particular particular tweet. Did they tell
you what the particular tweet was or what the offense was that? He never tell you, they never told you? Well, they
never tell anybody. They removed you for not going along with
whatever the tech narrative is because Tech clearly has a
censorship agenda when it comes to covid in terms of treatment, in terms of
the, whether or not you are promoting what they would call vaccine hesitancy.
See, they can ban you for that. They can ban you for their eyes, what they think, is a
justifiable offense, and they're doing this. And I don't know who these people are that are
doing this, but they're doing these, this one of the most important things about you, reading out, your history,
like that is to one of the most qualified people in the world to talk about vaccines.
Thank you for that. I think that that's so one way that some people put
it is in a course since this has happened I've been contacted by
The lawyers that are looking at filing a suit just like, Alex Berenson has won against
Twitter in and the point is made just what you just
made. If so, the point that I
think is kind of succinctly on this is
if my voice, if there's no merit to my voice, being in the
conversation, whether I it's true or not, whether I'm factually, correct or
not. Let's park that just from A minute whether or not. I'm right and everything I say
and I freely admit. No one's perfect. I'm not perfect. It's one of my core
points is people should think for themselves. I try really hard to
give people the information and help them to think not to tell them what to
think. Okay, but the point
is, if I'm not, if it's not okay for me to be part of the
conversation, even though I'm pointing out Out scientific facts that may be inconvenient.
Then who is who can be allowed?
And whether you're in the camp that says,
I'm a liar and I didn't invent this technology, despite the patents. When
there's a whole cohort of that. No one can debate that dispute
that I played a major role in the creation of this Tech and virtually all other voices
that have that background have conflicts of interest. Financial conflicts of Interest.
I think I'm the only one that doesn't, I'm not getting any money out of this. So
I think that it starts to touch on some fundamental constitutional principles about rights of
free speech. I suspect, that's kind of where you're going on that. Well, most
certainly. But also how disturbing it is for someone who's not an academic
work myself to watch people like you, get silenced and silenced in this platform
of social media where people are exchanging information. Posting up
studies and you're discussing different parts of this pandemic
that are in the news and what the issues May lie in and where your background and
your expertise allows you to explain this in a way that maybe it's not
being explained because of the The Narrative that's being discussed in the mainstream news and watch you
get silenced. First of all to watch, you get ostracized.
I've seen that I've seen people distance themselves from you. I've seen people Call
you a crazy person and criticize you, but with no specific thing to point to it,
became like a tag. They put on you like, oh that guy. I like, I like, I brought you up to
someone and he goes, oh, that guy's crazy. I go how? So there was no answer.
Yes. Okay. So this is a thing, you're going to just say, someone's crazy when they say something that's
inconvenient or say something that makes you uncomfortable, because you've decided to accept a certain
narrative, did Twitter warn, you know, it was there any tweets where
Said that this is misleading or anything. No. No, they never do. Do you have
any idea what the final tweet was or what within context was? I think I do and
there's no way to confirm it until the lawyers, you know, do their lawyer during. Now I
did have in the case of when I was banned from LinkedIn. Remember this happened. I
wasn't aware that. Yeah, I was deep platform from LinkedIn, many months ago and
it was there was actually two events of the
platforming. And It in. And in both cases, I was able to get an
explanation for what the specific crimes were the thought, crimes. And
in, in the first one, it was a tweet at LinkedIn posting
in which I pointed out that the chairman of the board of Thomson. Reuters,
also sits on the board of Pfizer. And I simply wrote
is, does this look like a conflict of interest to you? Okay, and this gets to
your core question about tech. It's not Tak,
it's it's the horizontal integration across all major
industries. Now, under the control of common funds, all of these
industries, the the harmonization of the text censorship, the interests of
Pharma, big, media, Etc. And All
being harmonized in their messaging globally. I mean, I travel a lot. Okay. I see the same
in. I have Physicians coming to me all the time about what they're experiencing the
same. Playbook is going on every continent but getting back to
LinkedIn. So this is this is the first event and
Steve kirsh intervened called up a vice, president of LinkedIn. And
as Steve, Kirsch is a tech guy, right? Yeah. Yes. He's a Silicon Valley entrepreneur. Or
who you may or may not recall that I was on the Brett Weinstein, Dark Horse podcast with
Steve, the kind of lift this whole fire up months and months. That's right. Okay, that's
where I first saw him. Yeah. So so he has great network
connections in Silicon Valley. He invented the optical Mouse. And so
he called the spice personal LinkedIn. The guy looked into it.
Meanwhile, people started dropping off of LinkedIn in And there
was Major press articles all over the world and then they reinstated
me and I actually got a very kind letter, this is unprecedented. Personal
letter from this vice-president, apologizing and saying in saying specifically that they
didn't have the talent to fact, check me, and then
therefore they were going to let me go now. Then subsequently, I got dropped
again and phone call was made and they got put on in that. At
case the sin was that someone of their fact-checkers. Because remember
this is Microsoft one of their fact-checkers had identified the Atlantic Monthly
article attack articles written about me and concluded that I was in
anti-vaxxer. And therefore I should not be allowed on LinkedIn. Now, the context for that that's
fascinating is that Atlantic Monthly attack article that is often cited
by my detractors and it's a fascinating read. We could
go down that rabbit hole. The reason it was written a few days
after Peter Navarro, and I came out with an op-ed in the Washington Times
in which we criticize the Biden policy on vaccines and said that they should be
reserved for those that need the most and not used universally. And we said some other
things about the need of trusting and tools so that people can assess
their true risk. It was a political retaliation intended to take me off the map.
As I was starting to interact. ER act more of an, a public policy sphere. Now
with this, this Twitter event, My
wife and I were have racked, our brains about what was the what is likely
to have been the tweet that triggered this? And you know, you never know,
the last two that I can think of that went out was one that was on our sub
stack, in which we referred to a fantastic
video that has been put out by the Canadian covid Care Alliance Group that
summarizes all the malfeasance and data manipulation. Tatian associated
with the Pfizer, vaccines and their clinical trials. It's a super video.
And of course, that's I guess that is interpreted
as something that would cause people to become vaccine hesitant. That's the
sin in general is saying things that cause people to become vaccine
hesitant. The other thing that I put out immediately before that was
opposed a link. To a website for the world economic
Forum that lays out their entire strategy for
how they managed media, how they're managing covid-19 and
all of their core messaging. It's a fascinating website with links. Those are the
only two things I can think of that would meet the criteria.
So, you know, my position all the way through, this
comes off of the platform of bioethics and the importance of
Concerned. So, my position is that people should have the freedom to choice of choice,
particularly for their children. And that in order to,
to appropriately choose to participate
in a medical experiment. They have to be fully informed of the risks, as well as the benefits.
And so, I've tried really hard to make sure that people have access
to the information about those risks and potential benefits.
The true unfiltered access. Academic papers and raw data
Etc. And the policy that's being implemented
is one in which no discussion of the risks are allowed because
by definition. They will elicit vaccine hesitancy, so it can't be
discussed. But that's the fundamental background. That's the backbone
of informed consent. So informed consent is not only not happening. It's being
actively blocked. That make sense. It does. Sense, and it's unprecedented. I mean, I
can't recall a time ever where people weren't able to discuss the
side effects of medication, whether or not the studies are accurate,
whether or not people should universally take these things or whether it should be
done on a person-by-person basis. This is a, it's a very strange time. And
so when someone who's an expert, like yourself has a dissenting
opinion and you see that dissenting opinion immediately, silenced, or Sigh, or at least
immediately criticized. And then these attempts at silencing, it,
it just it just signifies how confusing and how troubled, the times were in our,
when covid first hit, when the lockdown started happening in March of
2020. What was your position on all this?
So the you're kind of asking my origin story with koban. Yes. I mean, we, you
initially, have you taken the covid vaccine. So the
answer is yes. I've also been infected twice after you took it once before,
I was infected at the end of February, because I was attending a MIT
conference on drug Discovery and artificial intelligence. This is pre lockdown
February 20 you but it goes back further than that.
There's a CIA agent that I've co-published with in the past and he Michael Callahan. He
was in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019. He called me from Wuhan
on January 4th. I was currently managing a team that was
focusing on drug Discovery for organophosphate, poisoning Ergo
nerve agents for ditra defense threat reduction agency,
involving high-performing Computing. And
by a robot, Screening high-end stuff and he told me Robert, you got to
get your team spun up because we got a problem with this new virus. I've worked with him through prayer breaks.
And so, it was, then that I turned my attention to
this started modeling, a key
protein, a protease inhibitor of this virus when the sequence was
released on January 11th as the Wuhan seafood market virus, and I've been
pretty much Going nonstop ever since to that point
with with drug repurposing. So I'm the one that
originally discovered famotidine is an agent because I was self
treating myself after I got infected with agents that we had
identified through the computer modeling. So February of 2020 you
get infected and how bad is your case bad? I thought I was going to die.
Gotta remember, I was up up up on all the latest information
from China and everywhere else. I knew all about this virus. I knew, you know, I
I've been watching the videos of people dropping the street. My lungs were
burning until I took famotidine and that relief that and what is
famotidine. It's otherwise known as Pepcid. So just to on this
tangent since I've said it, I've got some good news to announce
first time here today. We believe we should have the first patient
enrolled in our clinical trials of the combination of famotidine and celecoxib for
treating SARS Kobe to this is Trials, being run by the company
Lighthouse, which is one of my clients that I've helped design. It's based on my
discoveries. They're funded by defense threat reduction agency. So this is another
drug combination. Now, a work with all these folks like Peter and peer. That I
know, you know, Peter makalah a quarry, but I haven't
pushed this drug combination. I've just felt it was inappropriate until we got the trials running,
but they're now open. And we passed through the FDA screening process. By
the way. We tried to get, we had data showing that adding Ivermectin
further, improve the combination. But the FDA created such enormous
roadblocks to us doing an Ivermectin, arm that we had to drop. And
by we what I'm saying is the FDA created so much grief
that the dod decided, the juice wasn't worth the squeeze and they just drop that
arm. Why do you think that is? What do you think is going on with the
pushback on Ivermectin? So it's not just Ivermectin is hydroxychloroquine and just
to put a marker on that. Good modeling studies. That
probably half a million excess deaths. Have happened in the United States through the
intentional blockade of early treatment by the US government that
is a million half a million. That is a well-documented number. Okay, and it's a combination of
hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin. Now, when you ask me, why you're asking me to get into somebody's
head, what I can say is a scientist is what I observe
the behaviors, the actions, the correspondence. These bizarre things
like, you know, don't you know, it's a horse drug you, all right, which is
amazingly perjorative. I live in Virginia. Okay, I can tell you the people around me. I live in a rural County
and I race horses that was deeply offensive to use
that language in that way, but there's clearly been
an intentional push and Zeb zelenko, who's a buddy? The guy that
came out with the original protocol is like a protocol and was the one The way that
wrote the letter to to
Trump advocating for hydroxychloroquine, okay, kind of important to
put that together. He's put together a great little video clip in which he
clearly documents the conspiracy between Janet Woodcock and
a wreck bright to make it so that Physicians could not
administer hydroxychloroquine. Outside of the hospital, and who is
Janet Woodcock, and who's Rick bright? Rick? Bright, was the head of Barta of Barta, the biomedical
Advanced research directed which is the group that, for instance, funded the J&J vaccine and
operation warp speed, Etc. So there the big-ticket funder in
Health and Human Service of by defense products. Who is she? Janet Woodcock
was head of operation. Warp speed for drugs. And until very recently head of the
FDA. She is known. As the person who kind of
gets the credit, let's say for the opioid crisis
for her role at the FDA. So between the two of them was, there were some
sort of a concerted effort to suppress the use of hydroxychloroquine Rick bright
in videotaped. Testimony has explicitly spoken
about how they conspired to cook an a
strategy using emergency use authorization. And to make it so
that hydroxychloroquine could only be administered in the hospital, which by the way, is too late for
when hydroxy should be used. And why do they do that? That is what is the unknown?
And, and there's so many wise and house behind this. I like to say,
there's a stack of stuff that doesn't make sense. It's about this high.
Now, there is, I can't prove, I can't get into Rick's head. I know Rick quite
well, I don't know what he's currently working for the Rock. Where
he did a whistleblower case and then he left the government. But
all I know is they did this and Rick admits on it on
videotape that he did it. And, and
he states that the reason was, is that he believed there was no evidence of
hydroxychloroquine being useful for this virus. Now, that's
false. Hydroxychloroquine was known to be Active against SARS one
that wasn't that regular chloroquine hydroxy hydroxy, hydroxy and
chloroquine are closely related molecules. Hydroxy is slightly less Toxic.
By the way, one of the nice things we had actually filed a enduring zika. I did a lot of drug
repurposing and I filed patents on the use of hydroxy in zika. One of the
reasons is because hydroxy is one of the few molecules that have antiviral
activity. They're safe in pregnancy. You remember, zika was a pregnancy is yeah.
So Hydrox, he's been out there for a long time as having viral antiviral effects
and the other part of Rick story that kind of doesn't make
sense that there was no data on efficacy is that
I was the guy that first acquired because I had Chinese connections, the Chinese
protocol for treating this virus. I got in late February and I
sent it into my buddies at the CIA and At the house / at the assistant secretary for
preparedness and response. So the government had those documents when Rick bright meet those
determinations. So, the assertion that there was no data on hydroxychloroquine at the time
when this decision was made is just patently false. It's there.
So what is the motivation? You're right. What this? None of this makes sense
on. The only thing you know, this is a this is journalists
problem. And you know, the classic guidance is, follow the money.
Yeah, and so it is
bizarre that mirkwood come out with these
explicit statements about the safety of Macton,
both Ivermectin and hydroxy are on the who list of essential
medicines. They have been administered for millions and millions of doses. They are among the safest
medicines. We know when administered within the acceptable window
pharmaceutical window. They the Ivermectin is even safer than
hydroxy. So, Merc coming out out of the blue and saying,
Ivermectin isn't safe is really inexplicable. Now, another
thing is that I sit on the active committee for drugs as an observer.
What is the active committee? This is the NIH committee. That's guiding the clinical
trials for these various repurposed and novel drugs.
I saw listen to heard witnessed
the representative of Merck, that's on the committee because the committee is
full of pharmaceutical Representatives, even though it's an NIH public committee
explicitly attack, the decision for the federal government
to test Ivermectin. She said there's no reason to do this.
Now what's happened since then is, is active, sticks is still, testing
Ivermectin. And they've had to go to a higher dose because as we pointed out, essentially,
their initial trial design, was designed to fail. It was a short course with an adequate
levels of drug. And so now they've upped it to. I think it's five days and
600 micrograms per keg. That's the current dosing and active 6,
but there is clearly a Sorted effort on the part of multiple players in the
pharmaceutical industry in concordance with the federal government to
kill Ivermectin as a potential alternative release treatment strategy.
Then if you're going to follow the money, the problem is there's not a lot in Ivermectin
because it is a, generic drug and any compound pharmacy can make it and it's fairly
cheap. It's fairly cheap because it's easy to make in, you know, we you can get
Ivermectin, you know, at in bulk. Oak had less than a penny of
Dos. Wow, so the original SARS
was is, is it 90% similar to SARS Covey to
its that those terms ninety or ninety six, or 98?
It's, those are really not there. They're kind of
irrelevant. You know, the you can have something that's
99.9% similar. And the difference is all the difference.
But if Quinn worked on the original SARS or it showed efficacy and original SARS,
is it safe to assume like without adequate test that hydroxychloroquine would
work on its the decision that was made by the Chinese government? Okay. That's my point.
I got the original Chinese protocols. This is what they were using and they were using it effectively. Yeah. Yeah,
so where they using Ivermectin as well? No, no, but other countries
have like Japan and India and litter Pradesh as you
know, Has crushed covid guide to can explain what they did to do
that because it's kind of fascinating. It's it's not clear. What are the drug?
So what they did do, what we do know and there there's some backstory to
this that we could go into if you want to. But the observation is there was a decision made.
The virus was just ripping through it or Pradesh. It has almost the same populations. United
States. It's huge. Okay dense, Urban poor.
All the characteristics of the Three types of the Indian country side
and the virus is just ripping through there and causing all kinds of death and disease.
And the decision was made out of desperation in that Province to
deploy early treatments as packages widely throughout the
province and it included a number of Agents. The composition has
not been formally disclosed. It was done in coordination with the
united with who and whatever was in
those packages was rumored to include Ivermectin,
but there was a specific visit of Biden to Modi
and a decision was made in the Indian government. Not to disclose
the contents of those packages that were being deployed in uttar
Pradesh, which they're still there and utter Pradesh is flatlined right now.
The rest of the World is yelling about Omicron and and in hospitalizations. Well,
South Africa isn't. But router Pradesh is still Flat Line in terms of death. So they
were visited by someone in the body administration's. I your son. There's a meeting between Joe Biden
and Modi and you believe that out of that meeting all I.
So I don't know what they said. I didn't wasn't invited. All I know is that immediately
afterwards there was a decision not to disclose the contents of what was being deployed in
uttar Pradesh. It's so crazy though. Imagine that in the middle of a pandemic. There's one
place one area of India. That's extremely successful in combating the virus
and they're not going to say how they did it. I mean, that's that's nuts. That's, you
know, so that's that's where I kind of my
stance in. All of this is to say, here are the facts here are the
verifiable data, draw your own conclusion. Okay? Now
February of 2020, you catch it. What did Take the monitoring from
auditing and anything else. There's nothing else available. So this was so early on the
pandemic. How did they did you want to being hospitalized? No. No, I
did have. I did develop long covid. And people
always, I always get the, why did you take the vaccine? Well, I took it fairly early on. I took moderna
because that's what the National Guard was deploying in my very rural County.
In basically Central Northern Virginia, isn't there some evidence that the vaccine
actually helps people with long covid. That was the, that was the rumor at
the time. That was then, that was, I took it for two reasons. I had
long covid, it was supposed to help with that, and I knew I was going to have Travel
internationally to France and Portugal in the near future.
Now. Is there any evidence that the vaccine helps against long covid as
total ease or anything? Anecdotally? There was and I
have not seen a peer-reviewed solid publication or, or
preprint that supports that now. But that was the active
rumor at the time. And since then what we do know
for sure. Well documented, if you've got prior covid and
natural immunity you, you have a higher risk of Adverse Events from
the Jab. Now, the other part of my story that often
gets overlooked. So I took two doses of moderna with the second
dose. I developed stage 3 hypertension with
systolic blood pressure of up to 230. Okay. I'm lucky to be alive.
You know, what it means is? I've had a stress test of my aorta and my cerebral, vascular
system, and I didn't have a stroke, and I didn't tear my order all to shreds, but it's a good
thing. I had, I had it. Regularities of heartbeat
credible, hypertension pots, syndrome, narcolepsy,
restless leg syndrome. These are all known side effects that are
associated with the vaccine. They're relatively less
frequent than the myocarditis in the children and male children particular,
but they're all known on the list of Adverse Events. And it's very clear that people
that have natural immunity. Have a much higher risk factor
for this whole spectrum of Adverse Events. But even if they get jabbed, even though that's
known, there's so many people out there telling people who've just recovered from covid to get
vaccinated. It is there is a number of things here that
are not supported by the science. I'll say gently to be less gent
since gentle. Since we're on the Joe Rogan show. I can speak freely. It's nucking
futs. Is just wrong. It's not consistent with the data. Well,
it's it doesn't make sense either. What we know about natural immunity
is that natural immunity least according to that study in Israel, which is like what 2.5 million
people? I think they said that it's between 6 and 13 times more effective than
the vaccine that is 6 or 13 times more effective
in hospitalized preventing hospitalized covid. It's more like 20
or 20 several yet. Twenty Seven Fold better at protecting
against developing. The disease, remember infection does not equal disease
and that's only one of over 140 studies. That
document that natural immunity is superior to the vaccine induced. Immunity and, oh, by
the way, is a vaccinologist in an immunologist. I wouldn't expect anything different,
but the CDC recently disputed this. I'm the this it was a
fascinating play. Of the CDC for most of
us that are at all objective in the Science World. Look at what's going on at the CDC
aghast in the CDC has just compromised.
What they did with. That was a very small study with
intrinsic bias all over the place much much smaller than
the Israeli study that you're citing much. Less rigorous less
statistical power and they push Push that out, as, as
their justification for their position concerning
natural immunity, but not funded. That who funded the study CDC would be the federal government. So they
funded this study. They did themselves cdc's, and do you believe they did it with
the intent of coming to the conclusion. You're asking me to apply intent
and I've had too much time with lawyers and I'm not going to do it good for you.
So either way there's Many, many, many studies that point to
the fact that natural immunity is superior absolute, having recovered from
covid like over 140 and also multiple studies, that show, that people who
have had covid, who get vaccinated. After the fact have a higher risk. I think it's
between two and four fold right here, on top of the data, two and four, fold risk
of adverse side effects increased risk. Yeah, it increased risk. So
for you, you did not know this. When Now, you got vaccinated. What was
your thoughts mean? Since this was a technology that you were
pivotal part of the creation of. And so you're getting this
vaccine. You probably were thinking. Look at this, all my hard work come to
fruition. It's going to protect me from the virus. I actually said to the nurse when I took the
first jab, I bragged a little bit. I usually don't I'm usually,
you know, keep it on the down low. I don't like to wear it on my shoulder, but Um, I
did say, you know, I invented this Tech. She's like, it was really cool. Can I take a
selfie? Um, but she aspirate before she
shot it into you. I have that whole aspiration thing. Yeah. I'm
sure she did. Yeah. Yeah. She's a well trained nurse when you say that whole aspiration thing,
ate any skilled medical practitioner when I inject my horses, right?
I breed lusitanian horses. I've got 20 on the A farm. Okay, I give him drugs all the
time. I always aspirate but I saw the shot where Joe Biden got it on TV and
they didn't aspirate them. They just, I don't know. I don't know what to say.
I'll tell you what to say. Yeah, so
so way to do it. Yeah. And was that really a vaccine, right? And we go down that hole right there. That's that's
my favorite rabbit hole because the fakes at remember. Yeah, so, you
know, there is there, okay. So, you know, Joe, you're in
media, I guess what, what were what we're experiencing
is a coordinated media Warfare. The level of which, we have never seen
before and I and my peers who are experienced in multiple, outbreaks
have never seen this level of coordinated propaganda is this
because there's never been an outbreak that coincided with the use of social
media because there really hasn't been mean H1N1. Was was it 2009
that that broke out? I was pretty active through zika. But
okay and that was, I don't remember the year is, but I was on LinkedIn and Twitter
all the time. The thing about what's going on. Now, it's there's a
heightened aspect in in terms of like it's at the influence on society, that
social media has. That is it stronger now than it was two years ago. It's
stronger two years ago than it was two years before its. Going up
exponentially in some sort of a strange way. That's affecting society. And then the censorship
aspect of it, which is kicked in. And as you said that they're stepping in
line with tech doing it with the pharmaceutical
companies, doing it with the government. They're all sort of on the same page when it comes to the
message. Yes, so now you're now you're going to the
next level of you know, WTF. Yeah,
and how to, how to open that can
of worms. First off. You don't see, you're aware of the trusted news
initiative. Yes. Okay, explain it to people. Yes. So
there the BBC announced to the world last
fall. That this organization that they had led
the development of which ties together big Tech and big
media in service of the government
and was built expressly for the purpose of
protecting the Democratic voting system. That, you know, small D,
the democracy and in voting Integrity
from undue influence. It's from hostile offshore players through
media information campaigns, which you'll recall, was the claim that
was made against Russia. And so, this was the response of the western Nations
to, to build this new structure called The Trusted news initiative,
that would survey all information
about elections, and prevent the intrusion of
foreign. Into the Democratic process in creation of
undue influence by Foreign actors. Shortly after it was
created. It was, there was an awareness in the pharmaceutical industry
that this could be used to address a
particular double challenge that they had, which was the
pejorative label, anti-vaxxers. That's also been deployed
against climate spec Skeptics. Okay. So, anti-vaxxers you'll recall, is
the label that is used to basically Take
anybody out, that is Raising any concerns about vaccine safety.
It's the pejorative that supplied in, its makes it really easy for the media to
basically take off the table. Anybody that's saying something that is
contrary to the interests of the really, the vaccine industry, right?
So there was a decision that this same tool kit, this same integrated
International media, and highwomen High-tech
organization led by the BBC would be
pivoted to resisting vaccine misinformation and
disinformation, and they put out a proud, press announcement last
fall that this was what they're going to do and they defined these
things misinformation and disinformation as anything which was
going to lead to vaccine hesitancy. And which was contrary. To the
official statements of the World, Health Organization or their
respective national health organizations. So if CDC says
the World is Flat, then the World is Flat and there will be no
discussion about whether or not the World is Flat. I'm using obviously in a
simplified silly example. So whatever the CDC
or Tony fauci or Tedros Etc says
Truth by definition in any any information or discussion
which is contrary to that. Truth will be suppressed. It will be deleted
and those people well that are are expressing these opinions
that would lead to vaccine hesitancy, which to some eyes would be
informed consent and and Decisions by an
individual that they believe the risk-benefit ratio doesn't matter. Doesn't make sense to them.
That will that information? Formation will not be allowed. And those people that are spreading, that
information will not be allowed to interact in the public sphere in
social media. Okay. So that's this. Kind of if you want to unpack, this whole
thing. It starts by understanding The Trusted news initiative and we've
got Great Links about that that have been put out explain explanatory
and links. For instance. I put out a sub stack. Recently the talks about the trusted news initiative in the
censorship in which I live. To both the BBC's trusted
news initiative website so you can see what they have to say. And a video that describes the
trusted news initiative. From my point of view is somebody that's been on the receiving end of The Trusted
news initiative. Now, that's the starting point, but it doesn't
explain the global coordination because T ni is mostly Western
and it doesn't cover a lot of the other, you know, Latin America. For instance,
where Spain, Or Israel. And
The only way that I can understand how all of this
messaging censorship, you know,
D platforming. You know, what, what it really is. This canceling.
And Bobby Kennedy makes the point that the first real example of
cancel culture that we can track is Tony fauci canceling. The esteem
virologist Peter duesberg because he was Raising questions about
the origin of HIV and its role in the disease calls a
called AIDS. I remember when that happened, I was a is big on my podcast a long
time ago, and it was the first time I ever got like extreme push back. From
people that were like, let me this is after protease Inhibitors had been used. So
it didn't even make sense and people are saying you have blood on your hands, people going to die because this podcast and I'm like,
what are you saying? Right? This is a guy who is a biologist university University of
California? Berkeley full Professor. Yeah, I mean brilliant guy. Yeah, totally one
of the best virologists of his generation. And
very controversial opinions, but the only way to find out if someone's
controversial opinions are valid, is to ask questions and talk to them and let them
Express themselves. And then I wanted to have someone come on a debate him. I could not find
anyone willing to do. It's this is covered in detail, in Bobby. Kennedy's book about Tony
fauci. It's one of the great case studies. Now, we have a more recent
example of this cancel culture as its played by NIH. And by Tony
in the emails that came out recently when you have Cliff Lane, Tony fauci
and The director of the NIH. Francis Collins. Yeah,
basically, coming out and saying that they're going to ridicule and Destroy
Fringe epidemiologists. And what was their sin? These
Fringe image, epidemiologists, that that warranted a concerted
effort on the part of the federal government to destroy them. There are sin.
Was Raising questions about the effectiveness of vaccines.
Lockdowns. Okay, and who were these Fringe, epidemiologists
as stated by Francis Collins? Who, by the way, has no background in epidemiology or public
health? Okay. He's a sequencing guy. That's his claim to fame as the Human Genome
Project. And the cystic fibrosis transmembrane regulatory protein. He has no background in Immunology,
lab record, and vaccinology. No training in public health, but who are these three
Fringe epidemiologist? Well, they happen to be full, professors from
obscure. Oxford, Harvard and Stanford.
Okay, warning about lockdown. They were warning about lockdowns in The Great Barrington declaration. That's
what prompted that would explain the Great Barrington declaration. So these three
esteemed high-profile academic epidemiologists,
came together and said and did an analysis comprehensive
analysis about everything that was known about lockdowns and their impacts
during infectious disease outbreak. Brakes. And they came out with the specific statement.
You can find it on the web. Look up Great, Barrington declaration and they came out with a
specific statement that these lockdowns were going to cause
more harm than help, which was contrary to the messaging that was being putting
put out by Tony. And so Tony decided that they had to be destroyed
and then you had Francis Collins recently coming on, Fox News.
After these emails were foiled and brought out into the open and saying that if
we had followed their advice, millions of people would have died. This is the, this is the fall back.
Anytime you criticize, these guys, what they say is. Oh, you're killing people. I mean, they do it
to me, too. So if they
had just done what Sweden had done and some other
countries where they did Institute lockdowns and they sort of let people just live their
lives and make their own choices. They were saying that millions of people that died, but so it would be.
So it seems. But time is shown that Sweden actually had a more effective
take on the virus, mean it was highly criticized in the beginning. People were really
concerned that they weren't taking it seriously enough. And then there was also
Concerned. That it was an you couldn't compare. The weren't comparable because the
way Sweden is, it's like small towns. They're separated from each other. It's not a high-density
situation like New York or Los Angeles or Chicago, but overall
in time, we've seen that this vest vest respiratory
disease, spreads period, no matter what it just, it seems to make its way to
people, no matter where you are and what it's done in that country. Is it's kind
of burn through the population and their mortality rate is
lower than most places. Their infection rate is lower than most places, and it didn't do
the devastating economic damage in the devastating damage to children that were
forced to isolate and not be with their friends and not go to school and not socialize.
So, here's an even more fun one. Okay, let's that just cuts
right to it. Um, you know that the pejorative these days is
the country's name is actually physiol. It's no longer Israel.
The Israeli people are very compliant with their government
and the government has a financial deal with Pfizer obviously, okay,
and they only have 50 vaccine. And they're now on Jeb. Number 4.
There's a natural experiment that's occurring in the Palestinian territory. In the surrounding states.
Those surrounding states in the Palestinian territory. Does not have that level of vaccine
uptake at all the mortality in the surrounding states. In the
Palestinian Authority is substantially less from this virus. And the
mortality in Israel. Now. Is that,
is it factored by age? Is it like, what is? So what did he what?
Variables. Good question. And in this, this is akin to this
mysterious mystery. Sorry of what's going on in central, Africa,
and the malaria belt, where you have really low levels of mortality
and what you're what you're hitting on appropriately, you're getting right to
the core of the issue is confounding variables. And in
general the is the Israeli population is a little bit older than the East Indian
Territory on average. So, that's a lower risk. Neither. One of them are
associated with high rates of mortality of morbidity of obesity.
And so, that variable seems to be out. That may be one of the major variables in
Africa, is that in that malaria belt, people generally aren't fat.
They happen to also be taking Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for the
indigenous parasites that they have to deal with. So, A lot of
people were saying, well, that must prove that hydroxy and Ivermectin protect. Well, not.
So as you point out, there's a lot of moving Parts here. And so
this is why, you know, I'm glad you didn't ask me well. Why is that Robert?
Because I would have said, mmm, I can't say because there's too many confounding variables. However, it is a
fascinating observation that we have
this intensively vaccinated cohort in
Oil and in much, much less vaccinated cohorts in the surrounding
states. And you can look it up on World of M. You don't have to believe me. You
know, your audience is smart enough. They can go on World of meter and look it up and look
at the mortality and morbidity in these different countries and figure it out for
themselves, is the rate of infection comparable
heart, you know, rate of infection is a really hard variable because it's a
function of the density. Testing. And so, you know, this is one of
those situations, the more you look for it, the more you find, which is why you really can't
use that as a denominator, is the incidence of
infection because the incidence of infection is totally contaminated by
the frequency of testing in the density of testing. So you have to rely on
things that the only really the only thing close to a
decent outcome indicator that not subject to all of this bias. That's
all over in the system, except in a few States Iceland the
Scandinavian States, generally have relatively clean data, the UK to some
extent has cleaner data. It's now clear that the Israeli data set is
contaminated by all kinds of monkey business in terms of what gets deleted.
But the only thing that seems close to a reasonable outcome, variable is all
cause mortality. So because in people get kind of wrapped up
around this and they say, well, you know, that that these vaccine these deaths
that were, I mean, this is the everybody argues both sides of the
coin with the vert system. Oh, that means nothing and then oh well, in
the CDC uses, it it means everything right and it's okay for them to use it to the
numerator, but it's not okay, for anybody else to use it. And for people don't know, we're talking about were talking about the
vaccine adverse event reporting system. That's tver, which is which the FDA
explicitly said, in the licensure packet for commodity is
inadequate, detect rare to detect rare Adverse Events. That's why they forced
if they ever Market community. In the United States are going to have to a bunch of clinical trials, which I
think is one reason why they're not doing it because the FDA is told him, that tver is
basically junk but it's best. We got. Okay, so, you know,
when you when you look at these ratios You the
argument is, well, just because somebody died within X number of
days of receipt of vaccine. It doesn't mean their death is vaccine
caused its vaccine correlated. That's fair, but it's the only variable we
have and it's consistent in that we've had that variable in that
outcome measure for decades. Okay, so then we can look at Trends. But what we
see is this explosion of vaccine Associated deaths.
And you and to kind of pick that apart people say, you know,
well, if you had a car accident, or a bullet to the head,
and you went to the hospital and they tested you with a PCR test, that's
nonspecific and they ran it up to 42 cycles and they said, oh look, there's the
virus. And by the way, they have a financial incentive to do that. That
results in a false positive death. True. But the other side of the coin
is that if somebody's having brain fog, or they have a stroke,
while they're driving a car and they crash and die. And
they've had it within, you know, 48 Hours of when they took the jab and we know the
Jabs cause blood clotting and strokes. Well, then it could well, be that an auto
accident is vaccine-related. Catch my point. Yeah. So so all of
these kind of things you can't sort out. What, what's, what? You just kind of
have to take the aggregate value and hope that you have a large enough sample size that it
contracts, corrects for all that stuff. I'll let noise its inherent in the system. Now you just glossed
over. The financial incentive to report a covid
death. What is that? What is the financial incentive? Because there's all these rumors
that you would hear about what a hospital gets paid per covid death and that the government gives
them money and that they're incentivized to make something. So mark it down. It's not
rumors rumors. Well now I don't have the specific numbers at the top of my head. I'm not a
hospitalist. I'm not a hospital administrator, but that the numbers are quite
large. There's something like a A three thousand dollar basically death benefit to a
hospital if it can be claimed to be covid. There's a financial incentive
to call somebody covid positive, the CDC, made a
determination in year. One. This is why all of our Baseline data is junk. What
is the financial incentive to say that they're covid? Positive? That's why the
PCR Cycles are ramped up so high that I again you're asking
causation. I can tell you that there the Also receive a
bonus from the government. I think it's like 3,000 bucks.
If someone is hospitalized and able to be declared covid positive.
They also receive a bonus. I think the total is
something like, 30,000 in incentive. If somebody gets put on the vent,
then they get a bonus. If somebody is declared
dead with common covid. Okay, so So they have an
incentive at the front end to declare somebody covid. Covid case
the CDC made the determination that they they were
going to make a core assumption if PCR positive.
The end you die. That is death due to covid.
And so the extreme example just to show the absurdity
if the patient comes in with bullet holes of the head
and they do a nose swab and they come up, PCR positive. They're
determined to have died from covid. When in fact, they died from lead poisoning. That's real.
Yeah. So they've really done that with gunshot victims. I don't know about. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Trauma and other things as I've seen that said, but I've always thought It's
ridiculous. There's no way of cajas. It's not, it's not the it's not a question of what
hospital would do. It's a question of Med codes. So the code is set that
if you swab that person and you are you're supposed to swap them and
and you get a positive signal and are you obligated to swap them? No matter who they are,
if they come in with an injury. I believe it's the common practice. I
don't know whether the whether there would be an obligation. That would be a hospital by Hospital policy stay.
So that it really is true that if someone has a gunshot wound and they're
dying of that, gunshot wound and you check them for covid. And if they're covid positive and they die.
They marked it off as a covid. Death. That is it, that is by definition from the CDC. That was a
decision that was made early on. That seems insane
that there is that there is
That's why so many of us are so much in arms up in
arms in and really pretty aggravated about what's going on,
is all the way through this the information. Let me put it this
way. Joe, part of the reason. I know you're somebody who is really
committed to bringing everybody together and the idea that
we're really want America. We're one people. We shouldn't be divided like
this. I'd like that for the whole world. Amen. Yeah. Amen.
Okay, we're aligned. We're just humans. Thank you. Okay, but
but we've been divided in this way in and it's all been
politicized and the data have been so thoroughly
manipulated that it's hard for any of us to make
sense out of it and all the way through. Our government at least, I can't speak
to Great Britain or the Germany, but our government has had a
series of checkpoints where they have a job to do. And I know this because this is what I do for a
living, right? I do Regulatory Affairs and clinical development. We
wouldn't be having all of this conflict about what is truth, if the FDA
had done its job. What the FDA didn't do was force the
pharmaceutical manufacturers to do their job. Now we can we can
wrap around, you know, well, maybe it was just, they were all in a rush. We were all panicked blah blah, blah, blah blah,
but the bottom line was, they didn't do their job and they didn't force Pharma
to do its job and they didn't employ the standard
requirements for testing and verification that farmer was doing its
job that I would expect to experience as a Anika researcher on one of my
studies. Okay, what's going on with Pfizer? If the
Whistleblower comments hold true. And for instance, the Maddie to Gary
case this young woman who was listed as having a stomachache that
participated in the Pfizer trials, when in fact, what she had was a seizure and she's
now wheel bound wheelchair-bound with a nasogastric tube one of a thousand
subjects. This is a 13 year old girl, right? That was a part of the study. And
they wrote it down as what gastric distress. That's that's
literally what it says. In terms of the adverse effect, gastric distress.
Like what, what is gastric distress stomachache? That's it. But what, how do they
account for all the other injuries? They don't, they don't, they take her off the study.
They take care possible, that that's totally unethical. It is. So this
is signing off on that. How are they allowed to do that? So, the way the rules work
in Regulatory Affairs? So this is law, right? This is Regulatory Affairs,
law in common practice at the FDA and globally. There's all kinds of
treaties and things that regulate how these things are supposed to be done.
The rule is used to be that a pharmaceutical company could kind of offload all The
liability for bad stuff that might happen in a clinical trial and be mismanaged Etc
onto the performer. The subcontractor used to be that Pharma actually did the trials
themselves and then they found it was cheaper more efficient and they could push off their liability
if they engaged companies. Like, I've been working for four decades contract, research organizations,
clinical contract, research organizations. And so that was done for a
while. And if anything bet went bad in the trial, then the farmer could say
Oh, wasn't us. Was those guys, now, over the last few years, the
FDA got wise to that and they made policy that the responsibility
vests with the sponsor. That's fancy regulatory speak for its Pharma.
Owns it. Okay. So you ask the question who's responsibility, is
it to ensure that the data isn't contaminated? Manipulated. The answer is Pfizer.
Wow, so they're responsible for the data. They're allowed to say
that this was just some sort of a gastric distress and the job of the
FDA always is to ferret out Monkey Business, which
happens all the time, whether intentional or unintentional.
And there's all kinds of ways you can craft clinical trials
and crafts clinical trial, study reports, final study reports to hide the
bad stuff and highlight, the good stuff. So, in this clinical trial that this young lady was
involved in, how many children were involved in the study. It's
2000 approximately, but they're split into Placebo and experimental groups. And so,
she was in the treatment group. Now, one of the things that people have said in
response to, The vaccine injuries is that it's approximately one in a
thousand that are getting these significant injuries like myocarditis. And
so think it's there's there's a well, it's
important. When we talk about these things to make
a distinction between an event that is clinically
significant and might result in hospitalization.
Versus something that might be undetected unless you did a Laboratory test or
you know, maybe like for instance, myself when I started to experience those things that I
experienced after moderna. I was confused. It was not listed as among the
side effects. I thought I'd just suddenly developed rampant
hypertension until the data started coming
out. And I you know, fortunately I had a fantastic cardiologist that got me into control and got
me under Medical Management. And then I looked into it. Oh, this is one of the known side
effects and then time went by and it became more and more. Clear. So the point is
that what gets reported in a study on is often
biased, by how the study is structured. Because one list when
you, when you write the study protocol, you list expected Adverse
Events. And so people, if those things happen,
often times they get checked but I guarantee one of the expected Adverse
Events was not seizure and paralysis. Okay.
Now what they did, one of the things there's all kinds of tricks. You can play with the
data if you if you're so inclined and that's why it's so
important. People like me that do clinical research for a living, we
get drummed into Head bioethics on a regular
basis. It's an obligatory training and we have to be
retrained all the time so that because there's a long history of
Physicians doing bad stuff Monkey Business and the most notable of course in
common knowledge has the Tuskegee experiments. But so it
happens, there's all kinds of financial incentives to make bad stuff.
Go away and highlight good stuff makes the They're happy
and then you get another contract. These are not little contracts, you know up a
modest clinical trial is 20 million dollars. A big one is
100 million or more. Okay. So these are Big Money deals. You want to
keep that money flowing and you want to keep your sponsor happy. So
that's what's come out with the Whistleblower with Pfizer. Is that the
contractor? I think it's here in Texas that ran a bunch of those clinical trials
appears to have manipulated data in a variety of ways.
And in this is done at the level of of checking the And reconciling the
data and deciding, which things go into the database and which things don't go into the
database. And whether or not, well, if somebody had an adverse event after
shot one, and then they're dropped because they won't take shot to, you know, do
we drop him out of this overall study analysis? That's why there's there's we have
all this specific language that we use in our business.
The intent to treat cohort, the per protocol. All cohort,
these are separate analyses. They describe these differences in how because it's known that you can
manipulate the data in these different ways. And it's clear now and
basically, this was the subject by the way, just to bring it back around to our first topic.
This is the subject of that presentation that the Canadians
put out that I put in that Twitter post was all the different ways that the
Pfizer data was manipulated. The fact that that is grounds
for being removed from Twitter is so astonishing.
It's just it blows my mind. That that's the number one platform
for Distributing information right now and things like that are happening there. Because it is, I mean, it's, it's
essentially a number one that would and Facebook. I don't know, which ones bigger, but for Distributing
information, so, what's recently taken place. So, so
remember looping back I What about the interconnectedness at the board level
between Pfizer and Thomson, Reuters? Yes. Okay. Thomson Reuters
has become the de facto Checker of choice
for determining, you know, quotes fact, Checker, right? And we know we, so we can
go into the, the Facebook lawsuit that recently broke that whole story
open, but Thomson, Reuters is tied to Pfizer.
They have common corporate ownership. And they are the
fact Checker of Twitter, now, they're integrated. Okay,
so it's it's Thomson. Reuters is making the decision
on which has connections to Pfizer. About what information will be allowed to be
discussed on Twitter. That is crazy.
That is so crazy to even here. And I don't know
how we ever pull out of this mess. I mean, I think we are at a 45-degree downward angle
headed into a mountain. I really do. It's so strange to me that no one's
up in arms about this other than a few people that have been censored. A few people that have these
opposing viewpoints that are, you know, deemed to be something that can't be
discussed. Well, it's Joe. It's even deeper than that. Okay, then
there's the hunting of Physicians. So, I myself, you know, Peter
McCullough is the textbook example of hunting Physicians, right? The guy is 150
mil hundred fifty thousand in debt right now in the hole in trying to defend his
medical license. This one of the most highly published authors in the world.
He's an exceptional researcher, you know, and apparently pretty good podcaster to
based on the guys, published more in his field than
any other physician in history and Baylor's trying to take him out. And it's not
only Baylor. It's some entity outside of Baylor that's come in and is
financing the attacks on him, but just to bring it home in a really
not. Make it all about me, but to be able to speak in the first person.
Okay, so I went to Maui with a bunch of Physicians, a few months ago,
and we gave talks and did training about early treatments. We didn't talk about
vaccines. There's only one Hospital on Maui in the island of Maui. It's
owned by a, it's basically a Kaiser Permanente satellite.
Okay, so we went there, we gave that talk
that hospital. While in the hospital is associated with it, are actively
involved in have kicked out Kirk Mill Hound
because he's giving early treatment with the horse drug Ivermectin.
Okay. Now who's caramel down, you know, why is he? Why is he in this
Hospital? What is he qualified? Okay. He's an MD Ph.D., Pediatric,
Cardiologist with his PhD training at UC San Diego in vascular
inflammation. He is among the most Qualified individuals in the
world for managing covid and
commenting on cardio Meyer myocarditis in children, and
they've kicked him out of the hospital. Just for prescribing, I've ever met for early treatment.
Okay. He also happens to be a pastor at a local country gate congregation.
He runs a food bank. He's whole life. He has traveled to
emerging economies to provide free treatment. This is the kind of
Templar person that, you know, we all, we all should be in an
in the best of all possible, worlds. And did they give an excuse for this? Are they
saying that his prescription of early treatment promotes vaccine hesitancy? Like,
is there any? He's, he's prescribing an effective drugs
and putting people's lives at risk, but here's the point. I'm not even there yet. Okay.
We're just winding up on this one, right? So the other day right before Christmas? Three days before
Christmas. So, I get a package from my licensing agency, which I'm licensed through the
state of Maryland. So the state of Maryland Medical Board, sends me a package.
Um, and it is a complaint that's been filed against me. I have six days to
respond. Basically, I end up having to respond and Christmas Day, okay? Or earlier
to this attack, claiming that I should lose my medical license. And the
citations are that I didn't actually invent mRNA.
Means the a copy of the Atlantic Monthly attack article on
me claims that I'm licensed in Virginia, which I'm not
claims that. I didn't graduate from Harvard medical school, which I did. Okay,
so I have to respond to all this stuff now in going through it and it's
just falls, falls falls falls, all coming in and pulled a bunch of stuff off of
Twitter. And Linkedin and send it in and saying, well, this is the reason why this guy should
lose his license. Okay, because he is responsible for millions of
deaths. He said it straight out. Okay, I'm responsible for millions of deaths
because of what I've said on social media now, who is it? That's filing. This,
it turns out, it's the director. Of recruitment and external
Affairs. Of this Hospital in Maui. This guy
felt that it was necessary to send this little
package of Happiness, right before Christmas to my Licensing. Board of try to get my license taken
away. That what we're seeing across the United States and
across the world is, it's the hospitals and the hospitalist
that are attacking outside Physicians. Do Have any knowledge as
to, why they're doing this other than speculation. If I was to
follow the money, I'm going to put it that way. Okay? Again, I can't get into their heads
or I don't know what's making them do this. It's crazy. Okay, never been done before, right. It's happening.
You know, we've went in and did a presentation in Alaska, and the same thing was being done for the
Physicians that came out, and spoke about early treatment in Alaska. And the, fortunately, the
Alaska licensing board. Put out a very terse statement that they don't want to get. Volved in
politics and this kind of Tit for Tat and that
this is outside of their role, medical licensing boards. For this, kind of
stuff are usually involved in making determinations about
somebody suitability because of drug abuse or sexual
activity, or other things which are outside or
malpractice overt malpractice. Okay, this kind of political weaponization
of Licensing boards is new. Now. Here's the here's the
the observation that I can make. If we follow the money is that
hospitals are incentivized to treat covid patients.
The thing that ties, all this little part of this story together, including the
suppression through the government of early treatment.
Hospitals are incentivized financially to treat covid patients,
if covid Ants are being treated outside of the hospital and prevented from going to the
hospital. Such is the case in the Imperial Valley.
We're Bryan, Tyson, George Farid, have saved thousands and thousands of
lives of indigenous, Latinos that are coming across the border and working the
fields. I mean, they're they're breaking their backs to save the poor
Amazing Story there with early treatments,
and I guess they're left alone because they're in the Imperial Valley. Nobody cares. They're all poor, but in
these Urban environments, there is all these incentives for hospitals.
To treat covid patients and if people are giving treatments that are keeping this people out
of the hospital's then they're not getting that Revenue. So your speculation. If
I just could unpack this that doctor in Maui who was
giving early treatment Yuri, you think that the reason why he was
targeted because he was directly, costing the hospital money because people weren't going in.
I'm not saying, aye, I'm saying that the observation is that early treatment
It keeps people out of the hospital and that hospitals have Financial incentives,
including death incentives. Financial encourage early treatment.
And the and the other data point is, these that are doing the
attacking? Are almost universally Hospital,
administrators and hospitalists? So, there these aren't
Physicians. These aren't taught by hospitals. I mean, hospital-based Physicians. Okay. What does that
mean? Then what, why are they doing it? Because they're part of that system of that hospital.
And the administrators, they would be doing that because they're making but they're making.
So again, I don't want to make accusations. I'm observing facts, right?
I want to bring this back to something. We were talking about earlier, but we kind of move past it. We were talking about the one
in a thousand. Statistic, right? So recent paper out of Hong
Kong comprehensive analysis, cardio. Myocarditis in
boys hospitalized. Okay, that makes sense that. Yes, that's
word string. So that's the data analysis. So that's that's saying
the myocarditis was so bad after vaccination and these are all verified
post-vaccination. Myocarditis was so bad that you went to the hospital, incidence rate is 1 and
2,700. Now the there's all
kinds of hand waving that. Oh my carditis is Mild they recover
from it. Okay, those statements aren't let's say. Gently based in
fact historic incidence of death post.
Myocarditis about 27% Now. The assertion is well. This is a different kind of
myocarditis and therefore, it's not going to kill these kids. Or young
adults, okay, but that's being said in the absence of data. It's pure
speculation. Right? And why are they doing that? Because they keep saying that the the
instances of myocarditis are mild. I keep hearing that, that it's mild myocarditis
and that it eventually goes away but not citing any studies. And I don't think there
are any long-term studies in children. That can't be. That, can't be right
by definition. Right? Right. Because because we haven't done what we have always done.
Okay. So let me say this. People ask me, Robert. You're the inventor, this
Tak your vaccinologist. Why are you speaking out? This was the whole topic of that linic monthly
Art Attack article, you know, why is this person become a vaccine
skeptic? The the did they talk to you
extensively and the three days before this thing came out, the journalist
whose it's a fastenings young man. He previously publishes basically on
woke issues. In The Chronicle of Higher Education. This is his first big article.
Okay, he was clearly hired and they explicitly say the article was funded
by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. The Zuckerberg Chen initiative. Okay, Robert Wood Johnson is
made the major shareholder in J&J and Zuckerberg. Can, of course is Facebook.
Okay. So Facebook and Zuckerberg Chen had funded this attack article by this guy that
normally writes about woke - in the Journal of higher education.
Um, and he was totally obsessed over. This question, Robert.
Why are you saying these things? You must have some Financial
incentive. There must be some reason why you're doing this. And I mean, this man a person?
No, just over the phone. Okay, and I told him repeatedly because it's the right thing to
do. I get this, you know, this consternation,
but see the thing is, I think I may be the only one that has been involved deeply in the
development of this Tech. The doesn't have a financial stake in it, right?
So for me, the reason is because what's happening is not
right. It's destroying my profession. It's destroying the practice of medicine
worldwide. It's destroying public health and medicine. I'm a vaccinologist. I've
spent 30 years developing vaccine, a stupid amount of education
learning how to do it and what the rules are. And for me. I'm personally offended
by watching my Appling get destroyed
for no. Good reason at all, except apparently
Financial incentives. And and I don't know, political ass-covering.
Now, back to this number because we keep going past it and going
off on tangents. The number that keeps getting cited. As one in
1,000 people have Adverse Events including myocarditis. If
myocarditis said requires hospitalization, it's one and twenty seven hundred, boys and
boys, but there's also issues of people that have
Something like fatigue that has lasted, that doesn't a
live axle Nation. But it be, there's a lot of those. There's a
huge number of dysmenorrhea and Minima to Raja. What are those? This is alterations
in Menses and women. So right there is a huge issue. There's an
they deny, it went Menses. We menstrual cycles, women
go into menopause very young. Like I know a girl who's 36 who got the vaccine as Had a period in
eight months and then there is the women who are postmenopausal that suddenly start bleeding.
Yeah. So here's the thing about this Joe that kind of ties this together.
I'm in the business. It's basically the part of what I do is like a detective
figuring out because I'm trying to pathology. Why is this happening? What are the
things that connect these things? Okay. So what is it? That
drives menstruation? The answer is the ovary. The ovary is the
controller. Okay, through hormones and ovulation.
Okay, what did we learn early on from the Pfizer data package? Which by the way, when
that was disclosed by Byron Bridle from Japan and sent to me, was the
first thing that really lit me up, and let me know that something here was rotten.
Okay, and when I got that, I picked out as by room had done. I was given the
task of independently evaluating it, and then I took that package and I gave it to a more. Regulatory
professional that I respect. And I said, these are the things I see. This looks really bad.
He looked at it and said, oh you missed this thing that other thing. Okay, these
include these missing things include reproductive toxicology,
evaluations of teratogenicity, birth, defects standard stuff.
That's always done. Genotoxicity. Not done, what was
done. Was a cobbled together group of data that didn't evolve, the
vaccine and used other mrnas in
non. Glp, that's fancy. Talk for not done with
rigor, studies not done, according to the rules
all cobbled together, and sent into the regulatory agencies of the world to
justify. Going ahead and giving jobs to everybody under emergency use authorization. That's the truth of
it. That's the short version. It's you know, using common language. One of the
studies they did do was administer. These lipid RNA
complexes to rodents and showed the
distribution of the synthetic lipid component. That's the fats that package
the owner and a that let it slip into your cells. It's a synthetic chemical
positively charged molecule. It's a fad or the charge on the end. It goes to
the ovary. At a very high rate like 11% of
the lipids. Now. This one is supposed to happen. It was supposed to stay in the arm where it got jammed but it
doesn't it goes all over the body and what it goes to two places that are really kind of
anomalous bone marrow and ovaries. Now, the over here in signal is really
clear because it doesn't happen in testes. Now, so now you
got a molecule synthetic molecule going
to an organ, the ovary the controls menstruation
in a non clinical model at a rodent
and subsequently, it's deployed widely in humans and you have
this phenomena of alteration in menstrual cycle.
Now, one of the things that was fascinating, I was asked to testify To the Hasidic Jew
rabbinical Court in New York. A lot of interesting things happen with
that. It's like sitting around with 15, different Gandalf's,
one of those bucket list things. I guess talking to them.
It turns out that the rabbi's in the Hasidic Jew Community carefully monitor. We don't need
to go into how the menstrual cycle of the, with fertile women, in
their congregations closely monitor it because there is
strict guidance. About cleanliness and intercourse
and they had a major problem because they these these, you know,
these are all 60 plus up to 80 long beards right here
that had Exquisite understanding about the menstrual cycle and all the women
in their congregations and they all knew that these menstrual
cycles were being disrupted all the time. And for them. This was a major crisis
because it meant That, if you're, if you're in the Hasidic Community,
increasing the size of the population of acidic Jews is kind of important to you.
It's centrally important to them, and this was a major threat to reproductive Health in
their communities. Now, they, they took all this testimony. They sought about it and they came out with a clear
statement that children should not be vaccinated. This
has the power of law in this community. Should not be vaccinated in adults. It strongly discouraged. And
part of the reason is because of these alterations in reproduction.
And again, the point, what's the common variable is the ovary. This
is why I say, in my little statement that's gone all over the world. This little four-minute clip
that's kind of gone viral and triggered governments to attack me now. Like
Israel and Spain and Italy. In the
same systematic pattern of, you know, trying to demean
me and delegitimize me. But that's why I say in
that that that think twice about giving
these Jabs to your kids among other things. Your your
girls are born with all the eggs, they will ever have. And these
lipids are going to the ovaries and they appear to be affecting menstruation in some
way. But menstruation is just one of these
Adverse Events. You picked out some of the other ones, the fatigue, brain fog, all
kinds of things. And then, to be fair people get that from covid, as well. Correct, true.
Absolutely true. And that's another fascinating variable, is
we have covid. We have mRNA genetic vaccines and we have DNA
virus administered. Genetic vaccines. That's the J and J here in the United States, adenovirus.
Okay, and they All have these symptoms of clotting,
brain, fog and other things. Okay. And so, as you know, this is
basically, does it walk like a duck and quacks, like a duck. What is
the common variable between those three? Very different systems, natural viral infection,
mRNA genetic vaccines and DNA genetic vaccines. Now, we don't
see these problems, by the way, Adeno viral vectored. Vaccines have
been in development for my entire life. Life 30 years. They are
licensed, Adeno viral, Vector, vaccines. They don't have these problems.
Okay, so it's something that's not intrinsic to the platform. What is it? The
common variable is Spike. Just to cut to the chase by
protein. Yeah. And so the spike protein
is probably causing all these problems with people who have caught covid and
also people who are getting the vaccine, but then
the Lipo, what is it? Lipo, Nano particle particles? That's fine. That's a good
term. How do you say it lip a? I call them little plexus lipid.
Nanoparticles is another lipid now, nanoparticles. So these are the ones that are affecting the ovaries
notes that it's the lipid part of it in particular. Killer that goes to the ovaries, not the RNA.
And that that aspect of it is not affecting men, but with many of a higher instance of
myocarditis. And why is that good question? What is driving? The
myocarditis? So there's a couple there are a variety of hypotheses
about this. What we do know is that both the virus and these
vaccines are associated with, here's another fancy medical term micro coagulation or
macro or micro coagulopathy the latter. One being A
disease of micro coagulation small blood clots. Okay,
there are multiple ways in which that can happen. It's clear that spike is
associated with a variety of mechanisms that
caught the trigger coagulation, including an autoimmune one. Okay. So there's something
about this. This protein spike is whether it's in the vaccine or
not. It binds to the surface of key cells. A key
regulatory protein called a stew. A stew is involved in
controlling blood pressure, vessel blood, vessel tone, all kinds of stuff. If
you activate a stew on the little tiny smooth,
muscle cells that wrap around your capillaries, the control your
vascular tone. That's that's your blood pressure locally. Okay, the ability of blood to go through
those tubes. Okay, that's controlled. Basically, you've got these little muscles.
These cells cellular muscles that control the
contraction. It's kind of like peristalsis. If you know what that is. The kind
of process that can move something down a tube like on our gut,
you know, where we move food and waste material through our gut and eventually excrete
it. That's peristalsis. The thing that brings it down through our esophagus same
thing happens with your blood vessels and when a stew Fires off,
when it gets activated. It causes contraction of parasites and blocks these microvessels. And if you
get stagnant blood in blood vessels, it clots like
that is what nuns. Okay. It's a normal homeostatic mechanisms.
So there's that there's the whole cast. So there's there's the effects
on the local tissue and there is Direct effects. Triggering coagulation, through a number of
Pathways. Now, what can cause myocarditis or pericarditis. Our tightest a number of
things autoimmune processes, which we also know are involved in some
of the coagulation problems and this kind of process of clamping down on
blood vessels, which we know is happening. And the autoimmune response. Is
this also in responses by protein, like what is what is causing the autoimmune response and
P. It's observed that it is happening and it's happening with these
RNA vaccines. It's happening. The Adeno viral Vector,
vaccines. I don't know. I don't recall literature that it's
happening with the virus itself. But it may very well be. I know
quite a few people that have had viral outbreaks post like things like
shingles herpes outbreak. That's another one. Okay. So now you're opening the puck the
compartment before we were talking about cardiac and blood vessels. Yes, and
we talked a little bit about the brain. We didn't talk about The Strokes. We talked about About the brain
fog and it's known that Spike will open the blood-brain
barrier. Is this kind of concept it's a little loose but it has
to do with the structure of the cells that line, the blood vessels in your brain
and what it allows to go through and doesn't go through Spike causes that to become more like an
open sieve. So things can go in your brain. That shouldn't go into your brain, so that can
trigger brain inflammation. And that is one of the pathet is the risk.
People like Luc montagnier are concerned about with neurofibrillary,
Tangles, which, and that's why they talk about prions or Alzheimer's like
symptoms. That's part of what happens when brain gets inflammation
because it's got stuff going on in there. That's not supposed to have. So, hence the brain
fog, the brain fog could be due to micro vascular.
Blockade. It could be due to this clamping of blood vessels that I was
talking about. About. It could be due to Leaky blood vessels. That's the blood-brain
barrier breaching hard to say, multifactorial. All we know is that it's happening and
that's also something that's happening to people with covid as well. Correct. I've experienced it myself.
Okay? When I had when I wasn't sick and not only brain fog
you can remember the broadcaster Kumo
when he had covid. He was talking about seeing hallucinations. Um, that
is, that is a common consequence of primary covid.
Infection is not just brain fog, but overt hallucinations. Now
after the vaccines started to be administered, it was a couple months
later. I believe that the Salk Institute published their paper on Spike
proteins, right? And I cited that in the Brett dark, Brett
Weinstein. Dark Horse podcast and was immediately attacked by
Reuters. For spreading disinformation
because I was speaking that the spike protein was a toxin, and there's
actually that's one of many papers that have come out since then, or before.
And I didn't say the spike protein on the vaccine. I said, the spike
protein and Reuters, basically took my words Twisted him and then attack me about it is
the spike protein in the vaccine different than the spike protein and the virus the answer is.
Yes. Um, Way. That matters is the question. So
the difference is now we're going to get into molecular virology. I'm sorry,
but you have such a question. So Spike kind of you can think of it as having a
stem part and ahead group. You can point your time if and then and then a.
Yeah, right. Just these things sticking out here, but what I wanted to illustrate that it also
has this little it's like catcher's glove that sits on top. That is the
receptor binding domain. Okay, so it's got these, these elements that are really
important to understand it and this,
this part of the spike protein, that is kind of straight and thin the
stock. Is responsible for the business part of what
Spike does. Spike causes Fusion between the virus and the cell.
It's what enables the virus to infect the cell, and it's a complex set of events
in it changes. Its structure as it goes through those. It's fascinating stuff. If you're into this, okay,
you can lock it into the pre Fusion confirmation. You can make it so
that it will not trigger Cell fusion after binding. With
two little tiny mutations, substituting proline in the
S2 domain and that'll make it so that it can never trigger a
fusion which is one of the things that it can do to make toxicity that has nothing to
do with whether or not. It can bind a stew up here whether or not that catcher's mitt will
grab on days to, by the way, Spike exists is a trimer like a trouble
folk, you know, on a fishing, lure. Mmm, so
So these two mutations are in this S2
domain that's kind of the stem and it makes it so that it can't fuse
and that's what's in the vaccine. But the rest of the spike is the natural Spike
and yes, it does get cut off and it does go in the circulation that's all been proven.
And so what matters about that is all the things I've been talking about about Spike interacting with
a stew and turning on a stew that can all still happenin. Oh, that's Changed.
Now one of the attacks that's made against my staying. This is, oh, no,
they engineered Spike so that it's non-toxic. Okay, that fails to tests.
Number one, at the time. They did this engineering. I've carefully
reviewed the papers. Okay, it's all about making it more. Immunogenic. There is
nothing in there about making it less toxic. Okay, and
by definition, it will make it less toxic as a Zoom fusion protein but it
won't do anything about it the other parts of Spike and its activities.
Then then there is this fundamental logic flaw.
In in clinical development and non-clinical development, and safety and
pharmacology. I like to say the French Judicial System
applies. What that is is you're guilty until proven innocent.
It's the job of the pharmaceutical companies to prove that their engineered spike is
safe. They never did that. And so all of
this pressure that comes back, you know from folks like
me saying hey this isn't right. Okay, and it looks like a duck and Walks Like A Duck and it
quacks like a duck. It's probably toxic because it's the common variable I
get criticized because oh well, you know well prove that it's not safe now. I'm
sorry. That's not the way it works. It's Farm is job to prove that
it is safe. Not my job to prove that. It's not safe.
I'm observing the safety signal, the safety signal, is there.
It is associated with vectors that Express Spike, whether it's the
vaccine, the virus or the adenovirus, you know, the MRNA the virus,
the virus itself or the Adeno viral vectored, Spike, those
toxicities are there and the common variable is the spike
protein. So, you know, and then then the comp comment. Well, it's not a
toxin. I'm kind of in the Forrest Gump, School of toxicity,
you know, if it causes toxicity, it is right.
It is a toxin by definition is, you know, toxin
is as a toxin does. And you know, we can argue
about the meaning of toxin just like so much of the rest of our language has been perverted during this
but the simple explanation, you know, the simple definition is does it cause
toxicity City and people. I think the answer is pretty clear. Now. It does
the question. There were all arguing about is how often and how bad this is the question. So
why do so many people take the vaccine and have no adverse
effect at all. Great question and that is a normal situation
in any drug. We talked about bell curves.
There's a response. Curve humans are genetically complex and their phenotypic
complex. I am not a Judicial Judas, judicial choose.
So Champion, right? I
am not the same body mass index as I was when I was
25. It seems that
the common factor across many people that get both the
vaccine Adverse Events and the disease. And by the way, is a great
paper out that tried to destroy sect long, covid, and
differentiate it from Post vaccination syndrome, which is what we're talking about
and they did statistical analysis, large cohort of
patients. Basically, they're indistinguishable. Long covid
and post vaccination syndrome in terms of the spectrum of the syndrome, their incidence of
kind of stuff. They're indistinguishable the same thing.
So why one of the factors that seems to be common? Is
this kind of hyperglycemic index people
that are not necessarily diabetic, but they may be pre-diabetic or they have
problems with carbohydrate metabolism, whether eating too many sugars or whatever the
thing is, so they've got elevated hemoglobin, h1c, Etc. People that
have high glycemic index, indices seem to be particularly susceptible. To
both of these effects. Now that is a syndrome associated with
an inflammatory state in blood vessels. So, you
know, this, what you're asking again and again because you are who you are
is in plain language. The big, you know, picture issues that are sitting out
there that haven't been adequately addressed. Not only haven't been adequately
addressed. But when you do dress them, you get demonized. Even if you're just asking questions.
Ins. As far as like, what are the numbers? What is the data? Where can I see this data?
If you're an academic, you get run out. Yeah. Now we've talked I don't want
to avoid, you talked about some of the other Adverse Events and you started talking
about the ones that relate to immune response. Yes.
And that is the, the tip of the iceberg that most people are familiar
with is the common CDC never talks about it, but it's clearly.
In the literature, you know, in places even New England, Journal of Medicine. It's clearly there in
the various database is latent, virus reactivation. And the most
obvious one is shingles. And if you get shingles, I've had shingles, it hurts.
You, you don't, you don't miss it when you get it. But
Epstein-Barr virus, their herpes, viruses cytomegalovirus. What are these
all in common? Their DNA latent DNA viruses? Okay. So, so what?
Leighton, DNA viruses. Well, we have a bunch of DNA viruses that basically hide
inside our body and they are kept suppressed. Matter of fact, there's a hole
thread in vaccinology. We talked about immuno senescence, the
Aging of the immune system, part of that has to do with the thymus and it's
shrinking, that's what educates T cells. By the way. That's one of the reasons why children
basically shrug. This disease off is they haven't had that 5mc in
involution. But one of the things that happens is your T cells become
increasingly focused on suppressing the DNA viruses that we've all been
parasitized by. Like cytomegalovirus and so you can
watch over time the diversity of T cells and person's body
who's infected by CMV over time as they get older and older there t cells, get
more and more and more focused on just trying to keep CMV in the box and not let it out.
Okay. So when we see DNA viruses, you know, Pandora's Box is
opening and they're jumping out of there. Okay. Well the thing that's keep spend or has
box closed is T cell. And then we have,
you know, I hope someday you get a chance to have Ryan:. Pathologist
deep understanding of this is he points out.
He's seeing referrals from oncologists of
cancers that are unusual. They're occurring early.
They're behaving you regularly. They're behaving very aggressively now right now. This is
still anecdotal. I don't want to get the audience all. Wound up road going to die of cancer. No, dr. Malone
is not saying we're all going to die of cancer. Okay, but Um,
this is another of those little hose because the thing
that keeps cancer suppress is T cells. Then we have the laboratory data
that we're seeing abnormalities in the key signaling
molecules that T cells use to talk to each other, toll-like receptors
that are associated in particularly with the MRNA vaccines. So something is
happening. Okay, that is causing release of He sells suppression
reactivation of latent DNA, viruses may be some signals
relating to oncology some changes in T cell,
signaling be behavior. And then there's this,
this increasing awareness that there's some window of time.
Not sure how long after vaccination when you're actually more susceptible to infection.
And this may have something to do. So not only is the vaccine efficacy
waning, but the multiple jab strategy is actually creating
more and more windows where people have this period of T-cell suppression.
So there's a whole lot in this box of immunology
and what are the Jabs doing to our immune system? And how long does it last? That
is, let's say gently a little worrisome to some of us that have a background in these things.
This T-cells oppression. Are, are there any studies on the amount of
time that it takes before your system, rebalances itself,
post jab. And seen, is it a cumulative? Like, if you're dealing with three shots,
or, for sure. Todd's, that's--this is--this is the I'm sorry. This
is the obscenity for me of this hole. Well, we're going to
give four shots because we don't really know when we know we need to do something. I
like to talk about the metaphor as a father. I don't know if you've had kids. I'm a
grandfather. Okay, you give a three-year-old a hammer and everything becomes a nail?
Yeah. Okay. That's that's kind of a simple way of saying people that aren't
well trained. Given a powerful technology or tool will abuse it
and overuse it. In this case. There's multiple reasons not to do the multiple
Jabs. The simplest one for everybody to understand,
is when your son develop, seasonal allergies to
Ragweed pollen or whatever, and it's so bad that he can't go to school as eyes are running. Can't playing
sports. Whatever you're like. Oh we gotta do something about this. I'm going to take him to a rheumatologist
now adjust and What they can do. Well, they do a bunch of tests and they say, oh your son is
allergic to Ragweed pollen or whatever. The thing is. Okay. What do they do? Well, they give him
shots. What are those shots? Their high doses
of antigen that are administered repeatedly to your child?
And what it does is induces something that is immunologists. We call High Zone tolerance.
Eyes on tolerance, basically amounts to an ability by giving multiple
injections at high levels of antigen to shut down T cells.
Against in an antigen specific fashion. So there's that.
The other thing with the multiple Jabs is that these are multiple Jabs that are
mismatched. Okay, they don't fit kind of current for a second
before you continue. So you're saying that by if I guess someone is
allergic to things and they go to an hour just and they start getting shots. Those shots. Shut
down, T Cell response Creek. So those shots by doing so and shutting down
T Cell response. The idea is that it kicks your immune system in and it's supposed to fight off these
things. No, does it make you more vulnerable to other diseases? They because they're using
that antigen mmkay, the Ragweed pollen, right? It's causing
deletion or down regulation of the team memory population responsible
for responding to Ragweed pollen. So what it's doing is selectively shutting down
the T response, against that antigen. And but what about
everything else? No, it won't do. Not know. I won't say it won't affect it.
But it the effect on the overall immune response is negligible. In
that this is done clinically routinely. Okay. Okay. So
those, there's those two things. There's this short-term issue. We don't know how long it
lasts. There's the high Zone tolerance
issue and then there is with their multiple Jabs that Mismatched for
the current circulating virus, that's akin to repeatedly, taking a
flu vaccine from two seasons ago and hoping it's going to protect against this flute. Well, that's one of the most
confusing things about this push for people to get boosted now with
Omicron because they keep saying with Omicron, we need to get but that's a vaccine
Escape variant, isn't it? Yeah. Among other
things. So, the AMA, if, when you want to open that can of Omicron. Well, I want to
What we know so far is at least Peter McCulloch said this and I believe several
other people said this as well, that the immunity that you may have had to the
alpha variant or the Delta variant. It does not seem to work
very well against Omicron. That's true. Nor does the immunity imparted by
vaccines, by the way, since we're down this little rabbit hole. Let me just say one thing,
Peter called me and he said, Robert, make sure you talk to Joe and make it.
Clear that, although I spoke clearly and forcefully about one and
done when I was on his show. That was before Omicron. Yeah, and so
Peter wanted me to make sure that your audience new. No, yes, we've actually talked about that
because I have several friends right now that have tested positive for covid for a second
time. And that is post that podcast with him. He was pretty
sure that if you got Delta, you would never get it again, but I know people that
have had Not I honestly, I don't know anybody who had Delta which was the last phase.
I know people have the original version of covid, who have now gotten Omicron
in a my case. I had the original Wuhan strain and I got infected
with Delta and I had disease for about three days and that's after taking to the two
Jabs. Wow. So yeah, and then how far after taking
the two jobs, was it about four months, four months, you know, 45. So that's still inside the window
of efficacy that Efficacy seems to keep shrinking.
Yeah. Well, that's another thing. Well, that is another things. And then the
the when you were vaccinated post your infection, how long after your
infection? We vaccinated. Oh, so you're affected by covid.
Yeah, like really on fireworks. Like nine months. Yeah, but you still had a horrible reaction
to it. Totally. And then even that is
pure speculation. The waning efficacy of the
vaccine. Does that have an effect on your natural immunity?
The natural immunity that you've had. So you're now opening up the big
big can of whoop-ass that adde
80. So that's a whole nother rabbit hole and I like to call it vaccine
enhanced infection or disease because 80 is just one subset of that. Okay, but
there is signs in some data. And we were, we were talking about
this just before the broadcast from Denmark among
other places of - efficacy
against Omicron as a function of the number of
vaccinations up to 3. So,
negative efficacy positive, efficacy means it protects you - efficacy
means your probability of being infected is higher. If you In the vaccine
and it's compared to unvaccinated. It seems to be somewhat
higher. If you've had one jab even worse,
even more likely to get infected. If you've had two Jabs even more infect likely to get
infected. If you had three jobs now, don't jump straight 280e because the
problem just to illustrate this confounding variable problem,
which is what all the statisticians argue about endlessly. Is
that there's all kinds of things that can complicate this interpretation. I'm going to give you
the simple one. If somebody feels that they're fully vax and they're
living. You know, they're young person in Denmark or whatever in Europe. Okay. They're more likely
to go engage in Risky, behaviors such as, maybe they're
going to go out, clubbing. Whereas, before they made a said. No, I'm not going to go out. Clubbing, you crazy.
Now, they feel like they're Superman. They've got a shield right? And They engage in more risky behaviors.
And so there's an example of a confounding variable one of many. So that's the
that's the I want to caution that. I'm not saying that this shows
that were having vaccine enhanced infection. I'm saying that
this is a risk which the FDA knew about
explicitly identified told the vaccine manufacturers. They should set up
studies to detect whether or not it's happening. But didn't force them to
do it. This another one of the huge FDA fails here. They had the right and
responsibility to ensure that we had good data about this and they took a
pass. They said vaccine manufacture. We think you should do this, but you
know, it's optional and so they never did it. No surprise. That's
like first rule of clinical development. When you're in big Pharma. You never ask a question
that you don't want to know the answer to Unless you're absolutely forced to do it.
That's why the FDA is supposed to do its job. But in this case, with enhanced
disease, a known risk of all prior coronavirus
vaccine development, efforts, including Veterinary, chronic
complication with those efforts. The reason why I focused on
drug repurposing instead of vaccine development at the start of the outbreak, when I got
the call from Michael Callahan, I said, boom past history. 8e, e,
this is going to take a long time. We're going to need drugs, best way we can get drugs as drug
repurposing. Yay. And then I got my team to focus on that. That's why we did that.
So FDA is known. That this is a risk. All
the vaccinologist notes, a risk. It's in the literature. We've all been
kind of watching carefully. So I have, is this risk in a
manifest. Can I pause you for a second when you're saying,
Statistically, it seems that one jab
makes you more likely to get Omicron than unvaccinated to
Jabs even more. So, three jobs more. So, where is this date?
It's coming. It's a series of analyses. There's a really active group of Bio
statisticians worldwide. And are, you know, that are picking apart the primary
data that's coming out. There was a paper that was published from
the As I recall that had or it was a
publication from official publication by the government that had the primary
data. And then this primary data has been analyzed, reanalyzed
discuss on sub stack, blah, blah, blah, torn apart and rebuild.
Now, we put out a sub stack statement that summarizes some of this that you can
easily find from us, but it's an ongoing debate, but the the
effect size is Now what the statisticians are arguing about
is Will whether or not they had the right number for the denominator
of total cases this gets back to my point that the databases are all
contaminated. Because the incidence of the virus in the
population is a function of testing. Um, in other
words, you don't look for it. You don't see it. And you assume you're not having it right? And in the Netherlands
they have one of the best testing systems. So they have rigorously testing everybody for whether or not they
get in the virus. And so those numbers are a little, you know,
sketchy and that's what everybody's arguing about is, is should we be looking at only the 12 and
above cohort, you know, it was, it's all this is, but the effect size
is so large that it's, we can, we can argue. You about these
confounding variables until the cows come home, but it's a big
effect on. It's going to be hard to account for, otherwise, it is not in peer-reviewed Publications.
This kind of stuff is wicked hard to publish these days and it takes
months. So would assumption be that there's
something that's happening to people. That are vaccinated where it
makes them more susceptible to this particular strain of David.
Because this particular strain of covid, this Omicron is a vaccine
Escape variant meaning that it's sort of tried to find its way around the protection of
the vaccine. So you now you're selected for that. So now you're trying to impose
a higher what you're doing is generating hypothesis. Yeah, which is good,
and one of many possible hypotheses and so in a
world a proper world where we are allowed to debate these things.
And do these kinds of studies and examine these kinds of variables without being
right and social media on, we would have a very active discussion about this hypothesis
and many others. Now, that's my my way of not answering your question.
I understand. But, is there a mechanism that would point to one of two
things? Whether it is a decrease in an immune response of a person who's been
vaccinated or some opportunity. So so
Let me throw out. So you just hit let me go down the rabbit hole of that first comment you made.
Okay. So what we're doing is with with administering a
mismatched vaccine is were driving the effector
and memory cells B. And T towards a
population that is focused on a virus that no longer exists.
So it's not in immune response. You don't get
everything and with what I
think, you know, you didn't ask me the question, but I'm going to answer it. Anyhow, what is your
hypotheses for the poor durability of the vaccines? My answer, is
it looks to me like, original antigenic sin? That's kind of a cool
terminology what that means. Let's unpack original antigenic
sin. And I think What could be happening with these data? As you're
just following your hypothesis? You just shared consistent with that is that
we're driving the immune response towards
responding to an antigen receptor. Binding domain of Spike that no longer
exists with Omicron. Now,
it is become clear. It was initially denied, but it's become clear that
all of us. Have a background immune response against beta.
Coronavirus has these are naturally circulating cold coronavirus has
that have significant immunologic cross-reactivity with SARS
Kobe to and the problem with that in original
antigenic sin. Is that those exist? Sting memory cells
will dominate the immune response when you get infected. And when you get
vaccinated, now, let me unpack that in a way. That kind of makes sense for the common person.
We all know that what in war, the,
the homily is. We're always best prepared for the last war.
Okay, in your life. You're the some of your
prior life experiences biases. How you In 2
Min, in your Martial Arts, you must know this right? Deeply
on what you've experienced in the past in Prior fights is going to
bias how you respond to a new opponent. Okay. Same happens
with your immune system. Does that make sense? Yes. Okay, super. Okay, you now understand,
original antigenic, send. Okay, because the prior exposure of your
immune system, to an antigen that is closely related to a new antigen, you know.
If you are, are having martial art
competition, with a person of a certain ethnic background,
or physical characteristics or whatever, and they have
certain strategies that they use the next time you encounter somebody that looks
like that and seems to move like that, you're going to say. Oh, they're going to use the same kind of strategies,
your immune system acts the same way with viruses and it could be that they've
They've got a whole different tool kit and you're busy fighting this war and they come in and boom, you're dead.
Right? Same kind of thing. Okay, so we've got a new
pathogen but it's got a series of overlaps with the old ones that we've
seen before and our immune system is biased to respond as if it's the old
one. Now to make matters worse. We're taking the spike
protein, only one of the proteins, the dominant immunologically dominant protein,
and we're Everybody multiple times and driving memory cells and
effector cells. That are to a virus that is not
the one we're encountering. So, it could very well be that as you're taking
more Jabs. Your further, skewing your immune response in a way
that's dysfunctional for infection to
Omicron compared to somebody that is immunologically naive. They only
have presumably either recovered from an earlier
because we gotta remember the Line group, the non-vaccinated group is actually
complicated because it's got those that haven't had the virus before but they've had beta
coronavirus has and those that have had prior infection and are naturally immune.
So that's you can appreciate that. Looking at these things kind of get squirrely, there's a lot of
moving Parts. But when you see a signal this strong,
it's saying something's going on. You have to pay attention to it. In my opinion. What is the difference between
the spike Protein that's generated from the injection of the vaccine
versus all of the variables that your body
encounters when it's been infected by covid? That is Another brilliant
question. I'm not saying this to butter you up,
and thank you for asking him. So that's a,
it was a very broad question. And this is a peeled
onions. Onion layers situation. I mean you said what are the
differences? Let's start at a high level. When you get infected where I get
infected, it's typically nasal or oral pharynx. It's coming in through the
mucosal membranes of your Head.
Okay. And by the way, that's one of the other things that's kind of cool about
Omicron in a good way. Is that the prior strains, in fact,
mostly deep lung and there's really fascinating data from Hong Kong.
Suggesting that Omicron is infecting upper Airway more. That is
a characteristic of less pathogenic, influenza viruses, and
hopefully what we know about Omicron is even though it's more infectious.
And replicates the higher levels. It's less pathogenic has a paradox. Well that could explain it.
Okay, so there may be some good news in Omicron but getting back to your question when you take
the jab you get a I don't know how safe a
spike of Spike. You get a bolus, a peak fairly
rapidly of this viral protein.
And it's in your body and it's circulating in your blood. We know that there's
a Harvard study Brigham and Women's nurses Spike protein
circulation after vaccination. Can I pause you one? One second, although
when you test for covid, you go in through the nose.
If someone is getting Omicron, what are they less likely to test
positive? Because you're swabbing their nose, no more. All of these are
initially coming in here. So it's still would exist in the nose, even though it's affecting the back of the
throat seems to be. Well, it's it's clearly producing
equal or higher levels. Delta was significantly higher in the nose by
PCR with all of the caveats about the problems with that cycle. Number
and Omicron seems to be even higher significantly higher. Okay,
so it's your nose and then it goes down. Okay. Okay, and it's affecting the throat for
some reason. It a lot of the people that I know that God Omicron had a sore throat, a cut
throat, a soreness of the throat before. That is paradoxically really good news,
by the way, that's called primary data, anecdotal primary data, but it beats modeling
data from the CDC, which is what the New York Times has been reporting that we're all have.
Bye. This point we're all supposed to have 70 or 80% of all the virus and the United States is supposed to
be Omicron that is based on what is now known to be erroneous
modeling. And all of us that were inside when we saw this come out
we knew the group in the UK that did the modeling and we were like, oh these guys have
over-promised, they have basically put out scare modeling all the way
through this outbreak and we should take this with a grain of salt. And now, the Press is all
backpedaling. In the sea. EDC is backpedaling saying, oh, I think we got it wrong and there's
still a lot of delta in the population. But you know, your buddies, if it's circulating
here in in Austin, and you're hearing people that are having
more the sore throat runny nose and less of the, my chest is burning,
right? And I've lost taste and smell, right? Okay.
That's just to kind of open that up a little bit
with H1N1. Influenza. Just to take one example. We have
high pathogen necessity and low pathogenicity versions of H1N1. What that means is
some of them will kill you and some won't More or less.
The different seems to be the virus, the
receptor the nuances of the receptor that the virus is hitting and using to
initially infect cells. And the, the low
pathogenicity H1N1 s. In fact, the upper Airway and
the high pathogen Issa th one and ones, infected deep lung. Prior
tsarskoe be ones have been hittin deep lung. So this
report that you're giving me from your buddies that you think is probably Omicron
is consistent with the Hong Kong data and it all fits into a box and we
know from South Africa for sure, that Omicron and we're,
you know, the who made the statement. There are no known deaths associated with Omicron in the unit in the world.
Now, there may be a couple somewhere. I thought it was just the United States. I did. They're saying for the world
because there was a we just read something that said there were several that were
associated. Now. There's there's as I said over time, there
will be deaths. Associated. Remember, we talked about the difference between causal and
Reconciliation. Yeah. Okay, and also, the fact that 95% of the people who have died from
covid had an average of four comorbidities you're on it. Yeah. Um,
so And, and now it's been documented at least two
cases when they were reported deaths from Omicron and people
actually went back that got picked up in the Legacy Media and circulated as oh my God, it's
going to kill us again. More fear porn. Then people went again, like they did with the
Ivermectin story. Remember about the hospital. It was all full of ivermectin, toxicity. And then someone
bothered to call the hospital. Same story. Hmm. Sorry. Nope, those weren't Omicron
deaths. Just something that got reported. Amplified in the Legacy Media. So
regardless the mortality of Omicron is remarkably
low. I think we can all agree on that. It's essentially like a cold.
That's the list of symptoms from Omicron published in nature. I think
recently are pretty much 100% overlap with common cold
and there are coronavirus has that are common colds. That's the beta coronavirus has that I was
talking about when I was talking about original energetics in. So if you test positive, Positive for the common
cold. Do you test positive for a coronavirus? Like if you take a Cove it tests. The
common cold is a is a in generally that's not just common
know. It's it's a, it's a grab bag of stuff, right? Okay, it's
rhinoviruses. It's coronavirus has its influenza, you know, it's a lot of things.
There's a lot of respiratory viruses that are floating around, but getting
backed on, on track with Omicron. It is
Absolutely looking like Omicron is a mild variant.
It is absolutely able to
escape prior vaccination the control of Prior
vaccination. Typically with mismatched vaccine. It
seems to be also able to infect a subset of people that are
naturally immune probably less than the subset that get infected
with. Um vaccination, but in this is a kind of a key
message to your audience, the reproductive coefficient,
that's more fancy language, the reproductive coefficient, but many
of your audience is going to know that that's the are not the are not of the original
strain. Will hunt stream was about 2 to 3. That means that if I'm infected on
average without any other interventions, all infect two to three other people.
Okay, and for Delta, the are not was more in the range of
5 to 6. If I'm infected no vaccination of social
distancing. No masking blah blah blah. The average rate of transmission would be. I would
infect five or six people in the case of Omicron,
the are not the rebase reproduction coefficient isn't a range of 7 to 10.
Okay. That is a wicked. Hi. That is Measles
territory. What that means going to translate that into simple language. We are all
going to get infected. Whether you use masks or not, you social distancing or not.
Unless you're going to go live on the Muir Trail and not talk to anybody. When you pass them.
You're going to get infected. So this gets to the key point,
you know, find a doc that will administer early treatments
and you know what they are and you just had the expert on
incredibly difficult to get the stuff now, that's what's incredible. And then as if that
isn't bad enough, we've got the federal government monkeying around with
availability of the monoclonal, monoclonal antibodies. That was the next thing I was going to
ask you about. Why would they You that when what is the percentage of Delta versus
Omicron out there? And how do we know? So here that I just alluded to that a minute
ago. And this is another fascinating story, and it's kind of being covered up. It's starting to be covered by the
Press, but they're not going back to the cause. Okay. Remember I said that there was
a group in the UK Imperial College didn't give the specifc specifics
before but as a group in the UK that does modeling. And they came out with some
modeling projections that basically the entire UK hospital system was going to be inundated
with Omicron shortly, basically Christmas time.
And a lot of us looked at that and went. Yeah. Those are the same guys that are predicted that
we're going to have, you know, millions and millions and millions of dead and and they're going to be body stacked up
and you know, coolers in the UK and it sure looks
like they may have overshot again, the CDC seems Have taken those
modeling projections and those models and they
put out emember in mid December right before Christmas. Merry Christmas. Oh, you're all going to get
infected by covid and it's going to sweep through and we're going to have 80% of covid
by this time of this month. Well, how about that? Ridiculous, press release from the
White House that said we're the winner of the unvaccinated death,
you know, experienced a winner of death and the overwhelming.
Asians all I can say is that the political genius behind
that should be taken out in the behind in the Woodshed and give it a good whooping because
that was just horrible, political messaging icon transferable and in the term in
terms of Omicron so inaccurate. Yeah, um, but it doesn't matter and that's
that's that's the core thing of this chronic angst
of. What the heck is going on. This doesn't make any sense at all.
You know, I don't want to get too far off your topic, but
our government is out of control on this and they
are Lawless. They completely disregard bioethics.
They completely disregard the federal common rule. They have broken, all the
rules that I know of that, I've been trained on for years and years and years. These
mandates of an experimental vaccine are explicitly.
Illegal, they are explicitly inconsistent. With the Nuremberg code
are explicitly inconsistent with the Belmont report. They are flat-out illegal, and
they don't care. And the only thing standing between us and
it's too late for many of our colleagues including my, you know, the unfortunate colleagues in the
dod. Hopefully we're going to be able to stop them before they take our
kids. What's wrong with? What do you mean by the dod? The Dated
vaccines for merited for every one of the dod. Yeah.
So you know what's going on in the White House is
a whole nother hours talk. Yeah, I'm sure it is
back to Omicron and Delta. How do we know like, what are the
when you get tested? Like when I was tested and I came out positive for covid. I have no
idea what I got. I assumed it was Delta because that's what I'd heard was going around. And but when they
release these numbers, where are they getting that data from? So in terms of this specific
when I'm sorry. I got off track. So we're talking about Imperial College modeling. Then, the CDC seem to
have picked up on that. Yeah, and the last data they had, it's actually Peter that
sent me the data. We did a podcast about it. So he sent me
the modeling data and and he sent me the
documentation that the modeling data that the CDC was putting out in the New York Times. In the
press and all Amplified, you know, and we all said, oh we're going to have 70 or 80%
Omicron in the population by this time of this year. The only actual
data they had was up to about December 4th as I recall and it showed
only a tiny fraction of Omicron the population, but then they applied their mathematical models that they
apparently got from Imperial College and they said oh the curve is going to look like
this and therefore that's where we're going to be at this point in time. And therefore we're going to have seven.
E % infection and the press all picked it up and they just assumed that that was
based on real data, not modeled data. Okay, what I'm hearing from
docks in the field again and again and you know, I had a bunch of people call me before I came on your
show. Everybody was like, Robert say this to Joe but you know,
you're so important that everybody wants to get their angle in. But
what I'm hearing in the field is that Delta is still dominant.
And these are hospitalists and, and people treating disease. And so, they're seeing a
skewed population. But it's important to remember that when the CDC
says, those kinds of numbers. They're talking about incidents. That is,
that is the moment. You know, how many have actually been infected at that slice of time
but what you see in the hospitals and this is something that pressed me, mrs. All the time.
So they do like, you're here in all this peer Fair porn about how the hospitals have
filled. It up in New York City and blah blah blah blah blah, okay.
Omicron causes a short term, limited illness. Delta is wicked,
bad, and it puts you in the hospital. When you put you in the hospital. You can be there for a month. To
two months. Okay, what you're seeing in
hospitalized cases right now appears to be dominantly Delta.
Because the CDC, overestimated, the fraction of the population that
was good. They overestimated how aggressively Omicron was going to move into the US population.
Maybe that means our social distancing and masking is working. I don't know but it's not
moving in as fast as they had been projecting and the bulk of the disease
that the docks that I'm talking to are seeing in hospitals appears to be Delta. Who
wouldn't that be? Because the people that are attaching Delta are the ones that need to be. Cycling. The
people that catching Omicron precisely the, don't hate, but here's the rub and you. I'm
looping back now to your antibody Point. Okay, is the
Geniuses in our Public Health System said, oh, no
Omicron based on this modeling data is going to be moving into the populations, going to
dominate things. We need to pull the monoclonal. So that our Delta specific
and only administer only allow people to use the monoclonal is that are Omicron. I
think because it's going to drive further Evolution. Otherwise, I guess that's their logic.
Could I haven't heard that logic at all? All I've heard that is that the monoclonal antibodies are
ineffective that again, that Omicron, but I've never seen. You're saying the same thing. I've also put, I've never seen any
data that. The monochrome there are gators are data that the years, that, that it's in
peer-reviewed literature. Now, that is ineffective against Omicron. I wouldn't say ineffective less effective
based on laboratory. Neutralization assays, so in vitro,
correct, okay. Okay, so, you know Joel a bit
Rapido Surgeon General in the State of Florida
as put out public statements. Now on, I think it's Twitter among other things
saying to crying what the federal government has done of pulling, all
of the regular monoclonal is what I'm hearing from Frontline docs, is those
those, you know, older regeneron, monoclonal sets, Etc are still
very effective in their Specialized population. Presumably, because it's still
predominantly Delta M and yet they're no longer able to get it. So, the government
has literally stopped the distribution of medicine,
Drew effective medicine for a disease that exists. Currently. When is that ever happen
before? Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin? Yeah, but in this level,
we're like hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin were off label uses.
This is something that has emergency. You. Is on relation unbelievable? Yeah,
this is wild. It is. Are they brain-dead? Are
they trying to just are they try courage? Vaccine has a vaccination, is that we're all?
It is. Is this a money, grab? Okay. So what is that? So here's another.
Version mean there's that when you see this kind of decoupling
of public policy from logic, then it
causes thinking people like yourself to say what the hell's going on here.
Right? And then we go down. The rabbit hole is at this that or the other thing.
One of the things in that spectrum of what's going on.
Is that the emergency use authorization, 's?
Are predicated on.
Policy determinations that were in a state of emergency? Those are
now two years old their expiring. There
there is not saying this is what's going on in their head, but there is another
perverse incentive here. To amplify the fear porn
and to amplify. If you buy into the
hypothesis that for some reason,
there are incentives for the government to maintain the state of
emergency. Um, that is one
explanation given that those declarations are expiring.
And we'll have to be re-implemented. If because if they're not,
then all of this emergency use authorization, vanishes like dust.
So are you saying, are you implying that perhaps one of the
reasons why they were moving? Monoclonal antibodies is to
enhance the amount of people that are sick. I'm saying it is in the spectrum of the range of
possible. Just the same as the, with holding of early
treatments is inexplicable. And this is inexplicable in that we know that they're very
effective. I personal evidence that they're very effective, their work, great on me. The
fact that there are moving this and that you would even consider that. The
reason why they're doing it is to extend. The emergency use authorization for political
reasons is that's insane. That's terrifying. It's, it's
hard for me to reconcile the behavior of the government
and its Public Health decisions with the data. And
I'm it's it's it's like there's two bins.
Is it incompetence? Or is it Maleficent maleficence?
Are they is it is. Is there some ulterior political motive
or they just dumb stupid? If there's some political motive if
that's written anywhere. Someone's going to jail. I mean, if that if that comes out, if that
somehow another gets leaked to Jesus fucking Christ that scary. That the well, there's
there's you know, so I wish it was so I wish it was. So to
I'm saying that and I might be completely wrong. I meet me. Totally naive but the lab leak,
yeah, the the, you know the for me
the disclosure of emails that Cliff Lane
Tony fauci and Francis Collins actively conspired to
destroy any discussion of Of the appropriateness of
lockdown strategies and in the mainstream, press, hardly
covers it. And there are no cause there, no consequences. The
document Trail having to do with the gain-of-function research
and the implication of NIH. And by the way, ditra in that
having absolutely no consequences for anybody. Um, we're in an
environment in which truth and consequences are fungible.
They this is modern media management and warfare. The
truth is what the those that are managing
The Trusted news initiative. Say it is. That is
wild. And for me personally, it's so confusing that I find
myself in a situation where I feel compelled to have people like you want, because I
don't know where else this is going to get out. I don't so,
so, thank you. On behalf
of, you know, in my case, I'm the president of the International
Alliance of Physicians and scientists. We are over. 16,000 people from all over the world
Physicians and scientists and you can find our website at
www.globalbeautysupplies.com, org,
we are gobsmacked about what's going on. Um, and we are
shut down. Censored demeaned fill in the blank
all over the world and over a period of two years. The world's completely changed in that regard and
they're taking our licenses. And license to practice medicine
because we are speaking about these matters and you can label me.
However, you want to label me. I don't care. I've done what I've done in my career. I'm going to stage at
62 years old. I've got a farm. It's almost paid off. I raise horses. I
love my wife. You know, I've been married a long time. My kids are both married. I got
grandkids, but, you know, I don't need this. I'm, there's this
claim. I'm doing all this because I seek attention. Trust me. This is not a fun
thing to be doing at this stage
physicians at flcc in senior
positions, highly like Peter McCullough. People at
the culmination of exceptional careers Palm
Eric an exceptional physician by any
standards run out of his Hospital. Demeaned.
Droid actively attacked trying to take his license.
This is, this medicine is being destroyed globally.
People are losing faith in the whole system. They're losing faith in
the scientific Enterprise. They're losing faith in our government. They're losing faith in
the vaccine Enterprise. I mean, what is going to be the long-term consequences of Public Health? When you
have a large fraction of the population who wasn't anti-vaxxer that
perjorative before that are now saying, oh my God. If
this is how these people make decisions, I don't want anything to do with it. I certainly don't want to
jab into my kid. Well, that's one of the more disturbing things. The opposite of that is one of the more
disturbing things about this. Pandemic is how people have just decided
because they're scared and because they want a solution that the pharmaceutical
companies have their best interests at heart and that they're not these
machines that are designed to make money. And they sell Drugs
and the drugs are often beneficial, but their main goal is to make money. And if
they can fudge the data, if they can move the numbers around, if they can delete negative
consequences, Pfizer is one of the most criminal
pharmaceutical organizations in the world based on their past legal history
and finds one of those fines include bribing Physicians.
Okay. It is a cost-benefit analysis in the pharmaceutical industry. A
about misbehavior, they are not grounded in the ethical principles
that you and I, as average people believe in. They don't live in that world. As
you appropriately point out. They are about profit return on
investment and furthermore, the overlords
that own them BlackRock Vanguard State Street Etc. These large
massive funds that are completely decoupled from nation. States have no.
Core they have no moral purpose. Their only purpose is return on investment.
And that is the core problem here that and the fact that we as a
society have become grossly, fragmented through social media,
electronic appliances the stress of what we've experienced and this leads
into this whole issue of mass formation. Psychosis that Matthias
Decima, the University of Ghent has promoted that for many of us when Matthias
a, you know, psychologists and statistician. Interesting combination came
made public a lot of us as we listen to Matthias. We said, oh,
that makes sense. That, that was like the brain that what happened. When
I encountered The Trusted news initiative? I said, oh you I don't know. If you saw the Brett
Weinstein podcast with me and Steve kirsh where that lift, this whole
fire all over the world, Brett ends with the, with the, basically, the question. If you
listen to the Inversion of what's, how does this
happen? How do we have this emergent phenomena at the how question?
Right? And you know behind the, how question is the why question that
the how question of a third of
the population basically being hypnotized in
totally wrapped up in whatever Tony fauci in the mainstream, media feeds them. Whatever
CNN tells them is True. Um, me illustrate
that the other day. I was looking through New York Times recent articles about
Omicron and Pediatrics in preparation for this and for making some slideshows.
And and I saw this headline in the New York Times
epidemiologist and a vaccinologist, and the text in the title was how
you should think about children and Omicron. It was, it
was blatantly saying, this is how you should think. Mmm. We're going to tell
you how to think, okay, people kind of got to get that in their head.
That's the world. We're in right now. Now, what Matthias Desmet has has
shared with us. Brilliant Insight is another one of those aha, now that part
makes sense, which is that This
comes from basically European intellectual inquiry into
what the heck happened in Germany in the 20s and 30s, you know, very
intelligent, highly educated population and they went barking mad.
And how did that happen? The answer
is mass formation psychosis. When you have a society that has
become decoupled from each other and has free-floating anxiety.
I-80 in a sense that things don't make sense. We can't
understand it. And then their attention gets focused by a leader or
series of events on one small point. Just like hypnosis.
They literally become hypnotized and can be led anywhere.
And one of the aspects of that phenomena is the people that they identify as their
leaders, the ones typically that come in and say you Have
this pain and I can solve it for you. I and I alone. Okay, can fix this
problem for you. Okay, then they will lead, they will follow that person
through. It doesn't matter whether they lie to them, or whatever the data are
irrelevant. And, furthermore, anybody who questions that
narrative is to be immediately attack. They are the other.
This is Central to mass formation psychosis. And this is what has
happened. We had all those conditions if you remember back
before, 2019, everybody was complaining. The world doesn't make
sense, blah blah blah, and we're all isolated from each
other. We're all on our little tools. We're not connected socially
anymore, except through social media. And then this thing
happened and everybody focused on it. That is how Mass formation
psychosis happens. And that is what's happened here. Now, there's ways to get
out of it. Matthias is recommendation, is you got to get people to
realize that what we've got is a
situation of global totality arianism in his
experience. In Europe, making people realize as a bigger threat
than the virus can cause a separation psychologically,
in this fusionist hypnosis that has happened. The problem
is then, you're just substituting a bigger bogeyman from the current one, and somebody else can come
in and manipulate that the real problem, and it gets back to your core
point. We're sick as a society and we have to heal
ourselves. And one of the things we have to do is come together.
We have to recreate our social bonds. We have to
buy into Integrity, the importance of human dignity and the importance
of community. That's how we get out of this. And I think that
this Insight of Matthias Desmet is really Central
to kind of making sense of all of this crazy. We got a world in
which, the Press is incentivized to push a storyline because they're
all controlled. By the same large funds that Pfizer is and so is Tech.
I don't know how we're going to get out of it, but it's got to start with us. All
of us finding common ground, I think one way we're going to get out of it is by
realizing what it is. And by the way, you just explained it in the way. Peter McCall
explained it and he was on the podcast as well. This Mass formation psychosis that we're currently
experiencing. Most people are unaware of this, even happening. All these events, take
place and it's this perfect storm of the
social media aspect of it. The the fact that we are disconnected the
covid. The He's in the isolation from society. The
lockdowns also coming off of the four years of trump.
We're we're so polarized politically and this.
It's become very not just common but accepted to
other people to point at those the others, whether it's the
Republicans or the Democrats, or the independence, whatever you choose, whatever you choose
to do or the unvaccinated or the unvaccinated. That was I was going to get to Yeah, and that's
one of the things that I find very bizarre about the tribal aspect of this,
is that people want me to get vaccinated and like, my friends who've been vaccinated,
want me to join the team? Like I had get the tattoo. Like what are you saying? And I'm
like, I've gone through the virus. I have immunity.
I also have antibodies. I just checked him last week. Like I could show you the
test. A matter of fact, I have it right here. There it is. And I had to be
tested when I came in the front door at your shop here. Yeah, we test everybody. But the point
being is that doesn't make any sense for me to get vaccinated but they want me to join.
It's worse than that. It puts you at higher risk. Yes. Okay.
They're asking you to take more risk for your health in order to join
their Club. That's what it is. And that's what it is and it's a tribal formation
and its people who don't have personal sovereignty and people
Aren't confident with standing by their own, thoughts
and objectively analyzing things outside of
an ideology outside of the tribe. Those people are very susceptible right now. And those are
more common than not. So Joe again. This is not me buttering
you up. But this is, this is why you're providing such
a service to your country and Humanity because you're one of of the few
voices that, um, has a, an
audience that is not democrat, or republican or
black, or white or vaccinated or unvaccinated. Are all these
dipoles that we create our fish Ali and you are trying
to speak to that persuadable middle and in do so
with, with an open heart. In an open mind and in a
world in which all of the information is being, so carefully,
manipulated, and so pervasively, distorted.
And in I, I'm grateful sincerely. My
colleagues are grateful and, and I think the world should be
grateful for your leadership. Well, I'm very grateful that there's courageous people, like, yourself
that do put your reputations and your careers on the line. And by speaking out
against this stuff, when it is very difficult. And when you do get deep platform for doing
that, they know that by censoring you. They're not just censoring you. They're
also making others. Like you self sense. Absolutely. I've been self
centering for months. I mean every morning when we post on Twitter, my
wife and I chilled glass bowl Malone PhD, right? Have this
active. Dialogue. Hmm. Can we to post this?
Not, you know, how do we say this? So we're not going to get D, platformed, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. We're
constantly self-censoring. And it's crazy because your self-censoring about your area of
expertise, which is insane because the people are censoring. You don't have any
education in it. It's it. Yes, I agree. It's insane.
It's the world were in. I'm just hoping that that clip, where you
explained, this Mass formation psychosis makes the rounds. And
I think everything you've laid out today is about as clear and as rational
and as well documented as I could have hoped and more.
So, thank you very much for being here. Thank you very much for everything that you've done. And Jesus
Christ, Twitter, put the fucking guy back on. Let's it's okay,
you know, so you do martial arts. And so you get
the idea of using your opponent's energy against him. Yes. Okay.
I was immediately contacted by multiple lawyers. I'm sure
this this could be an excellent example, our case. I think
it is. You will train you and now, experiencing who's already filed one. Yes.
Okay. I've been through the legal grind. I don't want to sue
anybody. Frankly but is it just sucks the blood out of you.
Not to mention your financial resources. I mean, it's just a ugly process.
I hate it, but there's two Hills. Willing, I'm willing
die on one is stopping the Jabs and the children. And
one is, you know, resisting the erosion of
free speech. Which is the fundamental principle upon
which our democracy in our society. Civilized Western
culture is built on. I like to say when I give rallies. Do you remember
back a couple of years ago when you felt sorry for the people in the People's Republic of
China? Because their internet was filtered. They
weren't allowed Free Speech, their government told them what to do and think.
Okay. Now here we are. Okay, and the next thing
that we all feel, sorry about social credit system. Okay,
wake up, folks. Wake up. It's common. If we give in to this,
we given the vaccine passports and having an app on your phone, that shows everything you
doing in terms of your medical history. And they've even offered people extra credit. There was an article on
Yahoo about having access to your browser history and they framed it in this
very positive way that having access to your browser in History may allow
you to receive extra credit. So you would be available.
You'd have credit available to buy a home or a car. So Bingo.
Okay, we already know what social Credit Systems feel like.
We call it a credit rating agencies. Okay, and you know what those guys
do. It doesn't matter whether or not if it's on your record doesn't matter whether or not you did it or what the
extenuating circumstances were. It's in. Their algorithm and you will get your score and your
score, basically will determine the tax on your access to
Credit in the form of the interest that you pay on the money that they
have been given by the federal government. Okay. That's the way this ecosystem
Works. They get that money at a huge discount and
then they decide how worthy you are to receive it if you want to have credit.
And so if you want to understand a little tiny version, Of the social credit system.
It's right there in your credit score. I think the only thing that helps us here
is that this may be the one subject where
everyone loses people on the left, people on the right people in the
center. Everyone loses, if they impart a social credit system,
if there is some sort of social credit app that you have to carry around on your phone, that determines where you're
allowed to go, what you're allowed to do. We're all To lose. No. Now I disagree
the oligarchs win. Very small percentage of the population wins.
Yes, right, but I mean the general public, the people, the people that are divided about covid. The
people that are now other ring each other and, you know, you losers, who got the jab and look at
you unvaccinated, plague rats. This nonsense is going on. Maybe this will be the one thing that
unites us because we realize that this is tyranny, or if it won't, welcome to
the new boss, you know, welcome to the new overlords guys, and
it's your choice. I'm going to be dead. You know, I'm
62, it's good. It's my thanks to your kind. You got some
years and you throw settle in. It's it's our children. Yeah, it is our
children. It's are, you know, I mean there there's they're challenged
uniquely already because they are growing up with social media. They're growing up with Tick,
Tock, and these invasive apps that are tracking all their movement and everything they do and by and see
and what they look up. And they cross platform. They share this data
cross-platform. It's very sketchy stuff and that the fact that it's happened and
it happened so quickly and that our data which seemed to be nothing became
one of the most valuable Commodities in the world and that and that data is used
to manipulate all the people on the planet. So
we're touching on some deep stuff about the kids and I forgive me for a
unabashed promotion for the The unity
project which I serve as chief medical and Regulatory officer for so that's
Unity project, online.com or org. It's calm.
We're totally focused on the kids. And if you go on that
site, you'll see a podcast that I did with a
pediatric psychiatrist out of LA and
a pediatric. Cardiologist. Who is also a PhD in
vascular inflammation, Kurt, Milan and I got those two guys
on to talk about what's happening to our children. And in
particular, the psychological damage of these
lockdowns, this mask use the the school
policies, The Bullying of children who are unvaccinated,
the psychological damage is huge. We're having a worldwide
epidemic of suicide in children. We are having a
huge surge of drug abuse in adolescence.
We're having demonstrable drops in IQ and fundamental
developmental, milestones in the very young,
like 20 IQ points. Okay? Children have to
see faces to learn how to speak and to interact
socially, you're talking about social intelligence, which your
deepen and connectedness. We're raising a generation
of children. And that have been blocked from their ability because
their brains are developing extremely rapidly at this age, the ability for
their brains, to assimilate the information necessary for them to
become functional citizens and parents. We're
destroying it without a second thought and the damage is
going to last for generations and is if that's not bad enough.
We're allowing the state. Eight to insert itself into the family and
make decisions by mandating vaccinations.
Okay. This is why this these childhood vaccines mandates are
obscene. We're setting up a situation in which children
are going to see peers who have been vaccine damaged as a consequence of the
policies that their teachers and their government have forced on them.
The damage here is going to be with us for
Generations. I'm not being Chicken Little here. This is deep
profound stuff. It's Way Beyond myocarditis and no one
seems to care. No one talks to Children. There was a big breakthrough. We all
celebrated a week ago, Face the Nation.
What on the on the annual Round Up of stories that have
been under reported one of the speaker's got up journalist and n
and said to the other group, I think one of the most underreported stories has been the
damage that's happened to our children. I saw that and did you see what happened with the
other journalists? No. Nobody said a word they moved
on. It was hardly covered in Media. Well, she even glossed over
the damaged by the vaccine. Agreed. How could she speak about the vaccines? I
suspect she may lose her job. She's not gonna be invited back on that program again. I doubt
I mean, how could she speak about the damage of the vaccines? It is identity really
just briefly touched on it in the yeah. So so the point
is because it's dangerous, insanely dangerous to speak, truth to power.
Right now, before we wrap this up. Why is the Uniquely dangerous to
Children. Good question that the
and I'm not completely. So the data, here's the problem with the myocarditis
bias in children in the data set,
particularly boys. Okay, one of the things there is clearly an androgen
component to the risk of both the vaccine and the disease of the the
virus. And that's why enter antigens Broadway Pier Cory. Shout out to him
for a champion of anti and ruins antigens being added to his math plus
protocol. Okay, particularly for men. So
why are boys there? There's probably a component of that that
has to do with an artifact in the data.
That being that when us old codgers in general is a
population of a much higher risk of cardiac events. And If there's a heart
attack in in one of us, it's really hard to say. Is it just
because we're old or is it vaccine-related? Okay. So then the vaccine
if there are vaccine related events, buried in that we're not going to see them
statistically. It's really hard to pull it out. Whereas kids don't have heart attacks and they don't
have strokes. So you can see those things really clearly against the background of virtually
nothing. So that's it, may be partially an artifact of
porting and bias because a confounding variables and it may be there are other
effects in terms of your over. Broader
question moving outside of the myocarditis, why our children more
susceptible to these Adverse Events? I think they're not.
I think the problem is that we're seeing it in the kids, but it's present in the adult
population. Also. I think there is a significant reporting bias
going on against reporting adult, vaccine injury.
I think that we have more in. How, why would I
say that? Oh, because I'm a vaccine deny Irma, bad guy. And I have some perverse
incentive to have that media Hit Me. No, we
have these reports from hospitalists and nurses, the ones that often. It's the
nurses that are able to speak. For some reason, the nurses are disclosing
things that they're seeing in their hospitals and the Physicians are all shutting up. Is it because they have
Financial? Incentives or because they're all owned because they have such debt burdens.
I don't know. But the nurses are speaking out and they're saying, hey, we're seeing
strokes and heart attacks, and these other types of problems that are known to be
associated with the Jabs. But it's hard to say because we got the virus
in the, in the vaccines overlapping. You know, is it chicken or egg?
We know that they're happening. We know that the deaths are happening. That's like the
The excuses that are made about the sudden
deaths in high-performing athletes that are being observed all over the
world, particularly in footballers, that where they're just suddenly dropping is it?
Because they've been infected or they because they've been jabbed. And and I
think it's a mixture of both. But if it's from the vaccines,
the thing about the vaccines is that's in you know, we have this principle we used
to Do no harm and in
if a, if a virus naturally infects you and you have a damaged from it, I
haven't cause that damage as a physician If I'm recommending that
you take a drug intervention, they didn't need have
you may or may not have gotten infected and it causes damage. Well, I
got to kind of own that as a physician as a representative
of the medical industrial complex, and a participant in it. And
so, for whatever reason, there's a Under reporting bias,
clearly in the adult population, and I think that people Will be be a little more
sensitive to Adverse Events and deaths in their children.
Robert, thank you for everything. I really appreciate you, appreciate you being here. If
people want to read more of your work. Now that you've been banned from Twitter. Where are you?
Aware? You, are you still on LinkedIn? Are you gone from LinkedIn? I'm still on LinkedIn.
I'm really cautious on LinkedIn. My mom stack. I'm on get her.
And I'm on sub stack. So that's our W. Malone MD, and
who knows? Sub Stacks? Probably the best place, though, right? It's, it's some sort of problem with substance.
Deck. Yeah, it is least censored and I would love more sub stack subscriptions,
but I have a financial conflict of interest there. So I don't want to pump that but that is I try to
use sub stack for more in-depth intellectual pieces thought pieces.
Not just I mean Alex bless his heart. He blasts everything out. As if sub stack is Twitter.
That's not my style. Right? So I'm going to be using getter for that thread. Getter. Is
that? That's a, that's a Twitter alternative. Oh, Better?
Yeah, no, it's been waiting for one though. Yep. So I'm using getter and
and, again, @rw Malone MD's. It's spelled like GE TT. ER, G.
TG e TR. Do you want it? Jamie? No GTR.
Yeah. So Get Ur is a branded as the Twitter killer. It is explicitly a
Twitter alternative. Is it all right? Wing crazy,
people know. It's a lot of it's a lot of people that have been. It's there's a lot of people didn't get
started off. Its yeah, it's it's where you know, they are
committed to not censoring beautiful. Well, I'm not
support that entirely. I mean I just did there's a problem with some of these that they do get infected
by people that were shit posters, you know, which had posters are people just?
Yeah. I mean, I've been on social media long time. Show you how I used to be on
Yahoo! Stock. Chat boards. That's kind of where I got my teeth. Well,
Robert, thank you very much. Just thank you for everything. And I hope this
hope this helps. Thank you, do think so, seriously. Thank you for
your service to our nation, and to the world. Mr. Rogan. My pleasure.
Thank you. Thanks for everything. Bye everybody. So folks, we actually
went outside and talked and Robert realized that he had forgotten. Got to tell everybody
about this rally, and then I picked up Snoop, who's with me now. So, there is a
rally January, 23rd. Where is it? When you give us the details, why shouldn't
DC between the Washington Monument and Lincoln Memorial. So this is the defeat the
mandates, an American homecoming rally and thanks a lot for letting me put the plug in
the website is www.vt-law.com and eights
d.c..com. So this is About being anti
vaccines. It's about being anti mandates. And our
hope is that we bring people together. I know that's one of your core messages people
from every Walk of Life. Every party. Every religion,
every ethnic background, Democrat,
Republican, vaccinated unvaccinated. The thing that we can
agree on is personal Liberty and the right of people to make their own.
Choice. And that's what this rally is about, is to resist these
mandates of the vaccine, whether you believe in it or don't believe in
it. I hope that you believe in the integrity and freedom of your fellow
man and woman to make their own bodily choices. So this is going to
be part of a same-day worldwide. Rally For Freedom, that's going to come
across the entire world. This is in Australia in Europe
and UK. And in the United States for the first time, so we ask that you
join us. We're we're asking our our objective is
to end, the vaccine mandates and also no vaccine
passports, no vaccination for healthy children. No, to
censorship no two limits on reasonable debate and this
censorship and in propaganda that we're constantly
bombarded with we believe in the power of natural. Cyril, immunity we believe in
insist on informed consent. And we insist on allowing doctors
and patients making decisions without interference together. So Joe,
thank you for allowing me to correct. My Grievous error here, worries. We
realized it. So one more time with the website, its defeat, the
mandates.com. No, it's defeat the mandates DC.com and you can
find all the information January 23rd. It's a Sunday. Join.
Not just with people in the United States, but from all over the world for our common.
Good beautiful. Thank you. Thanks again, everyone.